SD reader CChuck has submitted a rant discussing the implications to society as a whole when the current Western fiat financial system finally collapses, and asks What Needs to be Done to End the Manipulation? What Are We Waiting For?
What needs to happen to break the manipulation?
Do we really need to wait for the masses to get involved?
Algos breaking down?
Waiting for the US elections to be over?
Another black swan, Fukushima wasn't enough, Iran needs to be involved now?
Greece default?
Everything is out of whack, getting worse day by day, we are nowhere close to an end of the current economic system. (LTRO, QE??, CDS and who knows what will be made up next month) These will continue forever, are we fighting a fight that is not winnable? (In today's world)
If Sprott expects this to be the decade for silver, the masses will not be able to endure the economic hardships forthcoming to survive the decade.
Government numbers and statistics (CDO's, unemployment, bailouts, derivatives, inflation, anything) don't matter because they are all fake.
Even if the last bar of silver is not deliverable who cares? Things need to be changed on so many levels it is almost uncountable. We shouldn't have to wait for that moment.
The truth needs to be voiced and "IF" and this is a big "IF" it gets out, so much of our current structure will be altered, not for the worse but for the better.
Once the truth about silver comes out, how many other lies and distortions will fall after that?
Pharmaceuticals, Banking, Government, Medicine, Education, History, Technology and the list goes on. This is what you are up against, not merely a few banksters keeping the price suppressed.
Pretty much when this happens (and it should have happened already an infinite amount of times already, with price suppression, manipulation, leverage, masses running to save their life savings, central bank purchases, government intervention to return to sound money), prices in real terms will surpass anything said in this day and age even with the most optimistic views.
I balk at the idea of mere gold $20,000, silver $4,000 in today's real purchasing power.
The new economic system which will be let loose will not be to enlighten but to frighten the people even more as a last ditch effort, and when that happens then we will know that the end is upon us. Such will be the largest financial event the world will ever witness.
The people of Greece are not even close to the end, this is the start of the new economic system to be accepted around the world.
"Everyone to suffer for the greater good of fiscal responsibility "is the new mantra.
If we are close to the end and the new age beginning, at the current rate of human progression, 2015 is the "End of the world" as we know it.
Something all people will be looking forward to, a true awakening.
My minimum price targets: (Keeping with the status quo)
Gold $20,000
Silver $4,000
Max. ( This is "IF" we have an awakening)
Gold ~$65,000
Silver ~$110,000 (First metal to be extinct, approx. 14 yrs. at current consumed rates and other cool stuff too like electro conductivity, novel medical applications, and well you all know the rest)
In today's current dollars, CURRENT purchasing power.
This is a bigger thing than what I think anybody out there is realizing.
This is the greatest time of human history to ever be alive, and I think there will be a true awakening.
(Or people will just keep getting screwed over for the rest of mankind like before)-unlikely this time around.
So my question again is what needs to be done to end this manipulation? What are we waiting for?
27 comments:
A huge battle is being waged right now for 36.00 silver and the cartel is pulling out all the stops. But the price doesnt have to hit 36.00 this week for the silver army to win, it just has to move sideways at the 35.50 mark and it will cross the trendline anyway.
"The truth needs to be voiced and "IF" and this is a big "IF" it gets out, so much of our current structure will be altered, not for the worse but for the better."
The truth is available for everyone to seek out and see, but the problem is that most everyone has been conditioned to believe the lies instead. Since the day a person is born, they are constantly bombarded with propaganda and lies. In order for propaganda to be effective, it doesn't have to be a complete falsehood. In fact, the most effective lie is where 99% is truth, and 1% is the lie. Then, it's almost impossible to detect.
People are deceived. And by definition, a person does not know when they are deceived. The moment they recognize they're deceived, then they no longer are. But it takes much to change this condition. That person must want to learn the truth. Often, the truth is hard to accept, so the mind would rather continue to believe the lie instead, because that is the easier and more comforting thing to do.
The Chinese have a saying that 'life begins at 40'. It's clear to understand why, since it takes a long time for anyone to come to grips with the realities of life. Most young people have not acquired enough experience. So it is up to the more seasoned individuals, such as those supporting SilverDoctors, to spread the truth. There are always exceptions, however; many grow old stubborn and insisting that the lies and falsehoods that they believe in are truths. They cannot face the fact that they've lived a life of 'lies', so they would rather reject the truths.
Each person must take responsibility for their own lives, and help those people closest to them, whom they are able to influence the most. That is all that anyone can hope to accomplish.
Chuck your thinking is much like mine. Trying to figure out how we are going to get past this coming rough patch is tricky.
There is no way to get past it without a lot of pain and misery, if for no other reason than we have had about 50 years of relatively easy times, piling on trillions in debt, when compared to virtually every society and culture since Hellenic times.
You are right on in saying this is a great time to be here because we are on the cusp of some revolutionary changes in this country and the world overall.
Debt is the greatest weight on us and unless this weight is lifted, we can't move on.
I'm not sure how to describe it, but with the world wide debt on the order of $76 trillion and 1.25 quadrillion in derivatives, my best guess would be to call it a world wide bankruptcy.
Planet Earth files Chapter II, debtor-in-possession.
If we can keep the planet intact we should have a good chance of coming out the other side in good shape. Gold and Silver will play a huge part in this since they are both real money and have no counterparty risk. Those who understand this and can weather the storm will be part of the vanguard that helps reboot the world.
It's like prepping to protect your family and community but on a global scale.
CChuck, nice article. I believe we will have an awakening too, because how can we avoid it with whats coming? But the central theme is all our problems is the control that the elites have over us, and the problem is that that will not be given up without a fight. It's not enough that everyone buys silver, because they can create WW3, proceed with their alien invasion, and cause havoc with HAARP, and release of recombinant avian influenza virus (mortality rate of 60%), until 95% of us are gone. And, that is their plan, very sadly. The problem is that the sheeple will not buy the silver, until some of these bad events have happened, because they need that to wake up. But, unlike the propaganda of David Icke (ie. 'once WW3 has started, our fate is written in stone'), it can be changed by us at any stage.
There actually lots of way to raise the price of silver.
1# Declare a national save your future day. have everyone buy 10oz of silver metal form.
2# Have everybody that has paper silver sell it an exchange it for the real thing.
3# Have an get some billionares to pool say $250million together an annouce that there are buying $15 above spot. Till ther 250 million is gone. All this should get the ball moving.
This is nothing but domestic terrorist talk.
Great rant;)
Dummy
Hopium here. I am a precious metal investor but the tin foil hat credibility is approaching zero now. Absolute pathetic.
We can't even get the miners to move because those that are invested are in and the ponzi of adding buyers constantly is not there. When the main invenstment houses keep on even "DOWNGRADING" miners in the face of Embry and other claiming they are the most undervalued investment.
The precious metal community are their worst enemy and are the biggest traders of all - in and out - conditioned like Pavlov dog.
Manipulation - you know I am now sick and tired to this community to blame manipulation for everything. Pathetic. Then what you going to do about it. Because you are conditioned now withing this game - in and out - at defined levels.
If major miners can't get going then forget about the little ones. All takeovers so far have been disasters and the majors are paying the price.
Embry and his religious experience. Laughable - he is getting a lovely experience.
Have you done your sums with Silver at 4000 - stupid. Ranting Andy too - within one headline I have lost faith completely in him.
All the news letter writers are just out there to make a buck and herding everyone into their favorite miners.
Out of all the Gold community crap written - FOFOA - actually has been the only most accurate one. Physical Gold has been the only one to go for. Silver only when you time it good. To get into silver now having run from around 5 to 35 is the biggest risk. Ontop of that the premiums, ontop of that when you want to sell - that price is different - so the premium is even higher. Then there is the sales tax.
So this manipulation bullshit always. Its because they can with this pathetic precious metal community.
The majority are always lead by the minority. The sheep need a shepherd. In order to be awake, the people must be awakened. Who wants to wake the people and who wants them to remain asleep? Then you have to deal with who wants to stay asleep in order to avoid the reality of life as it really is? Much effort is needed and you cannot be sure of the outcome. Look at our Revolutionary War. The majority of people did not want to seek independence. They did not want to fight. They wanted to remain in their own little world. It was the small minority of patriots that lead the people to their independence, kicking and screaming the entire way.
History repeats itself. Why? Because people do not change. We do not evolve. Sure, we can learn from history, but most are doomed to repeat it. All it takes is for one or two generations to pass. We are in a perpetual battle for dominance. Is that not the way of the animal kingdom? With all the victim groups competing for dominance, what type of cohesion can there possibly be? We are so divided by race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, etc. The only time we can come together is to save our collective asses from the fire.
Self-preservation is king. Ask those who survived the Balkans war. In order to awaken the people you must threaten their lives. Not their money supply, but their lives. They must feel that hunger or need. When the money is gone, then they will realize their predicament. Let’s face it, Westerners have had an easy life for the past 75 + years. We have had skirmishes, but it did not affect our lives, only those that we sent (sacrificed). I really thought 9-11 would be the event that threatened us enough to wake us out of our lethargy. No such luck.
Our leaders will continue to tell us everything is okay. CNBC will continue to tell us everything is okay. The MSM will continue to tell us everything is okay. The sheeple will not listen to anyone that proposes everything is not okay. People want to around upbeat and positive people. They want to hear the good news. The stock market wants bulls. To be anything less and you will be labeled a conspiracy theorist, a doomsayer, a crackpot, a believer in Armageddon. You will have no credibility with the masses. People will shun you. They will treat you like a leper.
So tell me, what should we do?
Ordinary Joe
Dear Doc,
If you recall I sent you a email a couple of days ago as how to register for this website.
The reason I was confused is because I was taken back to Google when trying to register. I am a old guy and not real internet savy, but one thing I do know is that I really do not want anything to do with Google due to their tracking every move of us all.
Yes, I had an old account with them and I figured out that my old account was also good for Silver Doctors through Google.
I hope in the future you can have registration where big brother does not track us.
Many thanks
Hoody
!? "what needs to be done?!"
...I got it....: QUIT UR BITCHIN AND START THE REVOLUTION ALREADY!
I have tried to wake up all my friends, family, guys at the bar and just 2 of them have bought silver but the other guy is all in, so he knows exactly how big this is. its a real hard work to wake up people when all thair lives they have lived in this system.
Anon 12:56 Wow. At least you didn't call us sheep. If I hear that one more freaking time, I will jerk them through this monitor and stomp a mudhole in their ass.
I have considered the drumbeaters. I have even mentioned it from time to time on this site. The more demand from the general populist, the more early investors profit. Ok. Sounds like any other investment vehicle.
As far as the "tin foil hats'...well they have been right about GMO food, chemtrails, one world government, 9-11 (Building 7) weather machines (HARP), constitutional issues, NDAA, Patriot Act, PIIGS default....you get the idea.
Now I'm not saying TPTB couldn't totally throw a curveball with the coming economic system. But from where I stand metals makes sense, drum beaters or not.
I may have this wrong, but it sounds like you (anon 12:56) are alittle overwhelmed. Perhaps even frustrated. I can relate. I too get alittle pissed from time to time. I have to remind myself of the fundamentals and to remain patient.
I'm not preaching at you, just giving you my perspective. Hang in there, I am sure you will make the best choices available for you and your family.
NEW B
Great Post!! Thanks for the taking the time to share this CChuck. I think we are slowly winning the hearts and minds of our friends, family and immediate sphere of influence. Words like yours reach people that would not understand otherwise. I pray there will be enough of us will reach a critical mass.
While the manipulation annoys me... Nothing needs to be done about it. This is a problem that will fix itself. Once the SLV has enough of its silver bleed out the back door to mitigate the COMEX and LBMA deliveries, those holding the physical metal will get their reward.
It is just a matter of time. There is no need to be apprehensive, impatient or militant. You can just position yourself and wait for the inevitable.
All debts are now paid in full. Loans are now interest free. Charging interest is unlawful.
See....that easy
Crazy Canuck
NOTHING....WE HAVE TO DO TO NOTHNG.....BECAUSE THE TRUE, THE REAL PHYZZ WORLD, THE FACTS, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN WEIGTH....AND EVERY THING, BUT ABSOLUTLY EVERYTHING WILL FALL DOWN WITH HIS OWN WEIGTH....
SORRY, I MADE A MISTAKE...WILL NOT...IS ALREADY FALLING....DON´T YOU SEE....
THE TITANIC TOOK MANY HOURS JUST TO SINK A BIT....BUT THE WHOLE BOAT SANK IN SECONDS.....
THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS PREPARE....METALS,LAND, WATER, HEALTH,GUNS,FOOD,...
Personally, I wear a silver-foil hat.
Hey Ordinary Joe,
I sent the DOC some info. on the field phones. If he deems it o.k. maybe he'll post it. I'm glad several of ya'll were interested. what I sent was very basic and there's a lot more you can do with it. Thanks London, AGXIIK and all interested.
2 OZ.
[My minimum price targets: (Keeping with the status quo)
Gold $20,000
Silver $4,000]
Nothing wrong with a good rant every now and then, but this will never happen! At least not while we still have the right to own the physical.
The price of gas a year ago was $3.60 and now it's $3.60 again, which should mean things are fairly stable, yet Polosi comes out and cries "PROFITEERING" and "we need to act to protect consumers". Yeah right, profiteering! Nothing to do with our posturing with Iran, or the Keystone pipeline being thrown out the window, or failure to approve more offshore drilling...
What do you think the PTB will say when silver goes to $50? Let me give you a hint...
1. Profiteering!!!
2. Traitorous Hoarders!!!
3. We need to act (insert 'confiscate' if you like) to protect industry and economic recovery!!!
Yada, yada, yada...
[All debts are now paid in full. Loans are now interest free. Charging interest is unlawful.
See....that easy
Crazy Canuck]
Must be an old Social Credit man! I am with you 100%
Thanks 2 OZ.
Look forward to seeing the setup with the field phones.
Ordinary Joe
I'm confused.
As I understand it, silver and gold spot prices are set via the paper markets (not physical purchases or sales).
Following the previous action with MF Global and the May 2011 smack-down it seems obvious that the paper markets are fraudulently managed (i.e. multiple margins hikes leading to the smack-down, loss of segregated client funds etc), so my questions are:
- Why would anyone continue to trade in the paper markets (i.e. purchase a long gold or silver contract)?
- If spot price is based on paper market activity then when we cheer for a higher price in gold and silver aren't we cheering for increased long paper contracts?
- If more people avoid the paper market due to fear of fraud then is it not possible that we will see a falling spot price as the banking interests continue to play the paper game while the long supporters avoid the paper market?
- Ultimately my question is: why do we follow the spot price market (i.e. cheer the price higher) when it seems the majority of us concentrate on physical stacking and therefore any purchases we make have no effect on the spot price.
It seems to me that we are aware of the fraud and manipulation yet we continue to play by the system rules (i.e. pay attention to the spot price). As long as the price mechanism is manipulated then we will never have a ‘win’ over the ‘cartel’.
I think a real win would be if all gold and silver supporters withdrew from the paper markets, let the banking interests crash the price further and we continue to purchase physical until the market spot becomes irrelevant.
Genuinely interested to hear others responses and thoughts.
ANON 9:29
NO ONE REALLY WANTS THE COMEX DEFAULT..OR THE SILVER PRICE SHOW THE REAL SITUATION...OR THE BANKERS FELL...BECAUSE WHEN THAT HAPPEN, AND WILL HAPPEN, THE WOLRD WILL BE A VERY TAFF PLACE TO LIVE....
BUT THE REAL WORLD DONT CARE ABOUT OUR WISHES...JUST FOLLOWS FACTS...ACTS AND CONSECUENCES...AND THE COLLAPSE OF THIS SYSTEM IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME..
"1# Declare a national save your future day. have everyone buy 10oz of silver metal form."
Hmmmm remember this?
http://www.facebook.com/Nov.Fifth
headlines today .... Big Banks Still Lost Customers
http://www.kimt.com/content/localnews/story/Big-Banks-Still-Lost-Customers/hsSLMCZ8_Eea7iRa25fEJg.cspx
Now listen up Doc It was a young unknown girl from Los Angeles that started Bank Transfer Day back in November. A YOUNG UNKNOWN GIRL !!! Do you mean to tell me that you and your associates in the silver industry are so lame and incompetent that you can't organize a one day campaign across the nation for people to go out and buy ten ounces of silver?
"but one thing I do know is that I really do not want anything to do with Google due to their tracking every move of us all."
Use "Startpage"....no tracking at all but uses Google through proxies
Anon 10:17 has nailed it. In very few words and not exactly how I woulda strung them together.
The frogs got in the pond around 1776, numerous times since then the elite has tried to start a fire under the pot, and becoming successful in 1913 the frogs have been on the back burner since.
Some of the frogs know exactly what's going on but they have no direction, no leader, save one but still too many frogs are enjoying the party, floating armchairs, pissing in the pool etc.
Not one of them can jump out but if they banded together maybe they could roll the pot off the fire but trying to get frogs to do anything is hard enough but getting 7 billion frogs, even half of them to roll the pot. Some still don't believe the waters getting hoter, some do but have hit apathy, some have found a cool spot and are fending for themselves and their loved ones.
Even if Ron Paul wins, he will need 2 terms with both houses to make a dent in rolling back a century of bad descisions (be they intended or not) to avoid a full scale meltdown and transformation to a pm's currency.
The rich in a pm's economy will not be the same rich now and the middle class in a pm's economy will not be the middle class now, oh I know a fool and his money is easily separated and it won't take long for the con man to level the field a bit.
Transition will take time and the subsequent recovery after meltdown will be a similar time frame. Look at the previous evidence Germany, Russia, Western Countries during the great depression and some state this time it will be worse.
Stack PM's for you and your kids, hord food short term, but learn to grow and suppliment, if you still got a granma or granpa - pick their brains on tough living.
Providing no military insurrections, small communal groups, large family groups, cottage style industry will see it through.
Well that's what I'm preparing for anyway - if it doesn't eventuate at least I'm living better.
Cal
Oh My God (no pun intended)
What a self ingratiating diatribe that is.
We've got a church founded on the testament of a fellow from Helenistic Greece who was admitted to the Nazorian Sect from an area not far from modern Jerusalum (yes the Jesus was an Arab) who spawned Jesus, he was then uncerimoniously dumped for transgresions unspecified. Wandered back home telling tales, literalising metafores and ancdotes, yes loaves and fishes, water to wine, burning bushes = all metafores and anecdotes. Jesus (a title) was of the Nazoreans not from Nazareth which as a city came much later in history.
So where are we up to here ? The Catholic Church and it's beliefs are based on the Helenised rantings of a non-to-bright excomunicated member, of an Arab sect, who idolises a worrior priest title (Jesus is not a name) and not the true lord GOD.
This "church" down through the ages, if not purpetrating on the masses the worst mutilations imaginable were jumping sides, feathering their own nests, in battles and wars, handing up "disadents" and stealing their property all the way to the madern age.
If the Catholic Church wishes to make amends for this then in my mind they can open the gates of the Vatican to the poor (and serve them), open the vaults to any inquisative person (and science) and open their minds to life.
Cal
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