Monday, February 20, 2012

Eric Sprott: Silver Will Become a Currency Again


With the Greek crisis nearing a climax, The Doc spoke with Eric Sprott of Sprott Asset Management this week to discuss the Euro debt crisis, silver fundamentals, and the recent PSLV follow-on offering.



When asked about his recent efforts to convince silver mining companies to save in silver rather than cash or treasuries Eric responded:
I think we have a bit of a voice in the silver market, and the reason for the letter was just the simple analysis that the paper traders were determining the price…and why should you physical silver producers let that happen?
And that was the primary thing- would you guys please think about what’s happening in your silver market! Plus the fact that it got bombed last year, and are you just going to sit back and lose $25 an ounce that you might otherwise be making, or are you ready to take a stand here? The other very easy argument for me, is when you have your money in a bank, you get no return. You essentially have no return. In fact I think it was expressed very well by the gentleman that runs UC Resources that you actually get a negative return at the end of the year because inflation’s higher than the return you’re getting on your money! I happen to be of the view that having money in the bank is a dangerous thing!
And you know they keep bailing out the banks all the time such as the recent G6 announcement that we’ll give unlimited loans to banks: well, they had to give unlimited loans to banks, because there were some banks that were on the brink! That tells you that it’s risky having money in a bank! So not only do you have to accept the risk, you get a negative return! 
Why don’t you believe in your own product that also has been a currency and also will become a currency?
That’s really why I went there. I thought that if we could just tip a few of these silver producers around to thinking about what’s going on in the market, and who’s determining the price, maybe we’ll let the physical markets determine the price instead of the paper markets determining the price.


When asked about the response he's received from mining company executives Eric responded:

We’ve seen some good responses. I was sort of shocked that out of nowhere UC Resources said they bought a million dollars of the silver trust because I had not specifically spoken to them about it. But I can tell you that First Majestic did buy $10 million of our issue. Keith Neumeyer who runs First Majestic is a very pro silver guy- as you know he makes silver available on his website: First Majestic coins, and he was very helpful in that regard. And I would also point out that Endeavor Silver at the end of last quarter when they produced 1.2 million ounces only sold 400,000. And why did they not sell the other 800,000 ounces? Because they thought, and explained that this price is not appropriately priced at the end of the quarter down around $27, and kudos to them, here the price is now $33, they’ve made 30% more than they might have otherwise made, and I’m glad to see people taking a stand that the paper price shouldn’t determine where you’re selling things!


When asked about the fundamentals of silver vs. gold Eric responded:

One of the interesting things about the IPO of the silver trust I think we raised $550 million. When we did our IPO of the gold trust we raised $440 million. Recently when we did our latest silver tranche we raised $350 million. When we did the latest gold tranche- so far, and it’s still in distribution by the way, so I can’t really speak much about it, but its raised I think $303 million before the exercise of a green shoe which I think has not been exercised yet. But the point I always like to make is that the people buying this are making up their own minds and they’re willing to put as much money into silver as into gold. Which means, they’re buying 50 times more physical volume of silver than they are gold. And when you go to the US Mint site, they sell the same number of dollars of silver as gold. Which means people are buying 50 times the volume of silver than gold. But when you look at what’s available to buy- you know we produce 80 million ounces of gold a year, and maybe 70 million of that is available for investment, and we produce 900 million ounces of silver, and theoretically let’s say 200 million ounces are available for investment, well that means you can only buy 3 times more silver than gold for investment purposes. But we see so many instances where the ratio is 50 to 1! And GoldMoney’s the same thing. Almost every time I talk to a metals dealer my favorite question- How much silver do you sell vs. gold? And every time, I get the same answer: We sell as many dollars of silver as gold. Well, that’s impossible. It’s just impossible that people can keep buying at that rate, and we not end up with some type of shortage. It’s those data points that make me so optimistic about silver.


Eric's full interview with The Doc also covered how he first became interested in gold and silver, the Euro debt crisis, silver supply and demand, hyperinflation, the sourcing of silver for Sprott Asset Management's recent PSLV follow-on offering, and much more. 

Eric Sprott's full radio interview with The Doc is now available.  Click here for all 3-parts!

49 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ya'mon!

Very cool!!

Anonymous said...

I'm glad endeavor decided to hang on to some of its silver. Now if all the mining companies do that maybe the real price will of silver will show. However, that's likely to piss of the Benanke and the bankers. So I would expect the Fed's to say they are cornering the market as a collective. Then what???? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

If the mining companies truly see what is happening economically worldwide, they would be wise to hang on to a pretty good portion of their silver ore.

2 OZ.

Anonymous said...

Doc,

You're on fire lately! Keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

"I'm glad endeavor decided to hang on to some of its silver."

Next week I am going to throw a few $$$$ at Endeavor (I currently dont have a position in them )

Then I am going to e-mail their investor public relations & tell them why I invested in their stock

If more of us did this MAAAAY-Be the miners would takes G6P more seriously

George Silver said...

Good points from Sprott.

He doesn't only talk the talk but is one of the few that walks the walk.

44 mag.629 classic said...

Iran just cut off oil sales to british and french companys,while China picks up the slack,russia is grinning ear to ear as brent oil will spike,hang on to your silver,things are getting intresting,Saudia Arabia says they can increase production,which is bullshit as they are running full capacity courtesy zero hedge.

Anonymous said...

KSA CAN produce more -- if it's heavy, sour crude.

They can't if it's Arabian light.

So, the kingdom is building world scale refineries at Yanbu, on the Red Sea, to convert their surplus of heavy, sour crude into exportable gasoline and middle distillates.

Right now, one is for Europe and the other is for Red China; each are 400,000 bbl per day clones.

Pat Fields said...

Of course silver will re-assume its proper role as money again. It must by sheer destiny, once the banknote scheme self-immolates in the ensuing months ahead. Though, its market worth will work out to be so much greater than at present, that copper too will also resume its function as small money in support of silver. This is a structural reality of the specie framework that is still woefully under-appreciated.

Cihat çiçek said...

ı personally don't think these commodities will be in circulation but they will be stored in the vaults as collateral ...

Pat Fields said...

Cihat çiçek, artificial credit-'money' renders market pricing (rational relationships between goods-at-market) impossible. This is the greatest flaw in that scheme, which repeatedly destroys economies going back to China in 1450. The very fact that metallic money has the natural characteristic of its own supply-demand factors, places it on a 'spectrum' (so to speak) which intrinsically aligns to all other goods. Above that solid foundation is erected all the rest of 'human action' causing periodic variations according to 'consumer demand'.

Cihat çiçek said...

all the gold in the world fits in a tennis court 3 stroies high and silver is less than that..I will post the graph..

Pat Fields said...

‎Cihat çiçek, the physical volume of the metal in circulation is completely inconsequential. The market worth in ratio to requirements of trade in the universe of goods-at-market is what relegates value to that quantity of gold (and vice-versa in the micro case). So, if gross global trade requires that gold's market worth must be 1/500th of it to be facilitated, then that's how it will be 'valued'. Should conditions expand and that ratio needs to accommodate the new environment, then the market worth will adjust by necessity.

Anonymous said...

Pat,

I think you are correct. Cihat does bring up some pretty good points. Although some of our opinions differ here, we are all on the same mission of surviving the upcoming catastrophe. Thanks to all of you for posting such great ideas. Just keep stacking, let your thumb hang loose and hold on 'cause time is getting shorter every day.

Regards,

2 OZ.

Anonymous said...

How to convice the hard headed liberal types that AU & AG are real money and a wealth preservation commodity? Doc, Bull, AGXIIK or anyone else help me solve this issie!

Steve said...

anyone old enough to count change will be able to detect fiat coinage by bouncing it on the counter... hmmm the "counter," where you count the coin...

Pat Fields said...

Sprott is on a glide path to a 'Metals Bank'.

Anonymous said...

...Wouldnt get on the same plane with ES.

Anonymous said...

"...Wouldnt get on the same plane with ES."

my thoughts exactly....

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
How to convice the hard headed liberal types that AU & AG are real money and a wealth preservation commodity? Doc, Bull, AGXIIK or anyone else help me solve this issie! "

Sometimes ya cant fix STUPID

time to move on

AXGIIK said...

I'm a ground pounder in the Silver Revolution. At the risk of being told I am crazy, it's my belief that gold and silver are real money. This is shared by every member of every culture, society, civilization and sovereignty in the history of humankind.
In the last year or so, clay pots containing the payroll of the Roman Legions that occupied Britain have been found, buried and safe for 20 centuries. The gold and silver coins were as an exciting a find to day as they were most likely exciting to the legionaire who received them as his pay at the time of Christ

PMs are scarce, hard to mine, easy to transport and divide into smaller units and, having the quality of a defined value over time; even to the rulers who embrace it.

FIAT currency has always failed eventually and spectacularly, ruining the empire, dethroning the emperor and thrown the common folks into penury.
PM debased by the empires and rulers have also failed, but not due to their original and intrisic values. They were simply diluted with base metal until valueless. This was done because the Roman emperors had not adopted paper money, like the Chinese in their experiment in FIAT. Yet they still had to finance their imperialist advances.
One observation is that collectively people can be pretty sheeplike. Individually, they can be very smart and for survival purposes, are quick to see the real value of precious metals over the debased values of paper money
It can take decades for this realization to sink in until inflation is undeniable and quickly creates damage to the peoples income and wealth.
Once embedded in the public consciousness, the group think of silver and gold as a storehouse of value will take place in a very short time; much shorter than the period of FIAT debasement.
Every nation that failed due to the devaluing their currency has ultimately rebooted by resorting back to gold and silver in order to stabilize their monetary system, even if only to back another round of paper money
The US was under this system for nearly 200 years, using silver coins as real money and backing the dollar with the world's largest stockpile of gold, estimated at 16,000 tons. Debasing currency was a capital offence as well.
To the extent that the largest empire in the world, the USA, saw this as vital to its strength and its status as the world dominator reserve currency, so be it.

And we proceeded merrily along, until that evil bastard Nixon started the snowball of currency debasement by taking us off the gold standard in 1971, here we are today, furtively looking to gold and silver as our salvation and our way back from the brink. Debating the issues of whether these two metals have any value at all seems circular at best.

The Chinese empire and their money, like that of all empires attempting to monetize wars, conquests and social programs, failed at all turns.
We are doing exactly the same thing as every empire. We have a failing currency due to our imperialistic over reach.
'War costs much silver', said Sun Tsu. He was right 2,500 years ago. His words echo down through the centuries, as true today as then.
And in a FIAT failure, real precious metal assets came back to their original preeminence as money and do so every time.
To say 'this time is different' is to deny the historical truth of silver and gold as real money. You do not hear this debate in China or India, incidentally.

Maybe our notion that silver and gold are real money is a delusion; an attempt by the average person to attach some value to an item which helps the person gain a sense of real worth in an unreal world; a world filed with illusions and lies told to them by the rulers, presidents, prime ministers and overlords.

But if gold and silver's value is an illusion, then stay with it. It's shared universally by nearly everyone on this planet and has been for milleniums. As an illusion it still has some semblance of real worth.
And Debate seems moot at this time.

Anonymous said...

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-Hotsaucze

sierra_hpbt said...

Doc,
I can remember not so long ago that silver doctors was a web page I stumbled on. I read the very first few pages and thought, man these guys have a nice little silver site. I told you that in an email. Now look at silver doctors... interviewing Eric Sprott! As George Jefferson would say.. Movin on up! Great job Doc!

Anonymous said...

Admiral Eric the FCMA from Canada makes me a proud Canadian.

We back you Eric. I'l be buying physical on every dip out there.

Good work Doc.

Anonymous said...

The same amount of money going into silver and gold has been going on over a year. The next phase may be for every 2 dollars going into silver a dollar goes into gold. All it took me was a couple google searches and I realized I made a huge mistake by buying only gold. I swapped all my gold for silver the next day and have been a firm silver believer ever since. The fundamentals in silver are outrageously good and people will find out. Silver is already in a deficit. As each year passes it's going to get more extreme. We're real lucky and blessed to live in this time and be one of the few to own silver.

I can't wait for your next installment of the sprott interview Doc. Good work!
T

Anonymous said...

I was gonna say that ES is a fricken genius. But I think it would be more appropriate to say that he is just a knowledgable realist, that has the resources to put his (and others) money into the game. I could say it makes me proud to be a canuck but I don't believe his nationality has anything to do with his motives. Still I hope ES takes every percaution to protect himself from those that would lose from his actions.

We're behind you ES. Shit....I may even give him a few of my dollars to put into the game once my apocalyptic mitigation stack gets big enough.

crazy canuck

Anonymous said...

y dont the producers offer their dividends in silver I would be happy/

I came across the silver story after dumping a junk email about the Liberty Token. Just as I thru it my eye caught $5 an ounce and I retrieved it.

Started there and then, got 140KG and SLW and a few other resources companies.

Nice to now retirement is funded when I need it in 15 years time....

Keep the faith,

Neil

A047 said...

@ Doc and the Silver Doctor regs-
Love your opinions and knowledge. Found you cats almost a year ago. Changed so much in my life. You are true Patriots. The Father's would be proud. Keep up the good work. A fan.

Anonymous said...

Wonderful wonderful thing you've done Doc. There is no bigger name in silver than Eric Sprott. This is a reason why my focus has shifted from other light-weight, diet coke precious metal folks(like Peter Schiff for example), and have gone elsewhere.

Schiff says the Fed is terrible, but wants to keep it cuz he doesn't trust Congress to do a better job than a private bank? That he doesn't believe in the manipulation story? That he thinks all these markets are freely traded, and that everyone in the OWS movement are a buncha neo-marxists? Says that Ed Griffin's book "Creature from Jekyll Island" is all conspiracy nonsense? I can see now why Michael Pento left Euro Pac. I'm still a client there, but only barely.

Thanks again for this interview, look forward to it with relish.
-Cleburne61

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Anonymous said...

"And we proceeded merrily along, until that evil bastard Nixon started the snowball of currency debasement by taking us off the gold standard in 1971,..."

Actually, Nixon was forced to take 'US' off of the gold standard, because by then much more paper money had been printed than there was gold to back things up. It would not be wrong to state that the goal of the creators of the Federal Reserve System had in mind to get rid of the gold standard all along. And for that, they needed to get rid of the silver standard first (ie, Crime of 1873).

Anonymous said...

Worth repeating here:

As written in 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu:

Sun Tzu said: "In the operations of war, where there are in the field a thousand swift chariots, as many heavy chariots, and a hundred thousand mail-clad soldiers, with provisions enough to carry them a thousand 'li', the expenditure at home and at the front, including entertainment of guests, small items such as glue and paint, and sums spent on chariots and armor, will reach the total of a thousand ounces of silver per day. Such is the cost of raising an army of 100,000 men."

So, it cost 1,000 oz of silver a day to raise an army of 100,000 men...

Assuming the average pay of a soldier today is roughly $120/day ($31,000/yr) in the U.S., 100,000 men would be valued at $12,000,000 per day. Thus, the value of silver as money in terms of labor calculates to be $12,000/oz. Something interesting to think about.

Of course, Sun Tzu was dealing with strictly physical silver.

Anonymous said...

"{Next week I am going to throw a few $$$$ at Endeavor (I currently dont have a position in them )

Then I am going to e-mail their investor public relations & tell them why I invested in their stock "

That's smart????? Have you learned nothing at all here? You are going to buy more paper silver instead of physical? The markets are really on thin ice which is one of the reasons you buy physical.

It's amazing to me how many people out there still want to play the Capitalism game. Evil.

Anonymous said...

The price-fixing conspiracy is real, and here's another conspiracy for you. Very probably a number of silver/gold producers are a willing part of that cartel price-fixing conspiracy. (1) Some have been shown as such in the past (re: Barrick/Gata Fed lawsuit) and there's no reason to believe some are not currently in concert with government cartel price fixers. (2)You only have to look as far as CPM's Jeff Christian & Kitco's Jon Nadler to put two faces on that conspiracy. Otherwise, why do those two still have industry jobs? (3) Sprott's letter to silver producers is dead-on, so why did they not ALL respond favorably? Until those producers are exposed and forced to change their government-lapdog positions by silver/gold investors, or by a mega-player intent on the cartel's destruction in the marketplace, there won't be any improvements in the price-fixing game. I wish GATA and Sprott and King World and Jim Sinclair and Goldcore and ZeroHedge would address that issue more completely. I'm signed here as Anon because that's the only way I could get into this thread. I'm not a social network junkie bootlicker. I'm a realist. Remember: even paranoids have real enemies.

Anonymous said...

Why is it that silver and gold prices gap-up only when US markets are on holiday?...

Anonymous said...

Great work, great site, also cannot wait for the follow on interview, once they said that Clapton was such a virtuoso they coined "Clapton is God". Well, to me Sprott is God, and hey!!both are called Eric!
This guy has guts like i have just never seen, up tthere with Andrew McGuire, who got hit and run the day after his testimony went viral courtesy of Murphy.
These people well know the risks thay are taking, I pray for their safety, not joking

Anonymous said...

"How to convice the hard headed liberal types that AU & AG are real money and a wealth preservation commodity?"

Considering all the B$ that these same lefto-communists have created for the rest of us, I have zero interest in getting them ready to survive financial Armageddon. They can just suck it down and good on 'em!

Anonymous said...

I have been listening to Eric Sprott talk about the apparently fantastic disparity between silver supply and demand for over a year now. So the question is, if all this is true, how is it possible that the trend line has been essentially flat for the past year? Could there be so much manipulation that the market is not responding at all?

Anonymous said...

what the miners need to concentrate more on than storing their silver and gold is working on their cutoff ratios which they they are uing to design the mines. Look at Newmonat and Newcrest and they are designing their mines using a 1000 gold price. If they designed using a 1500 gold price, their mines would be twice the size as low grade gold is usually much easier to find.

Anonymous said...

While the Government and their talking heads keep moving the cliff to nowhere further out into Hell,the rest of can keep the real world going with physical silver and gold.Time is getting short as the herd starts wondering where they are being taken.Real vs. fake will be the order of the day.Anything of real value will what is needed.Didgital money will go first,then paper.

Anonymous said...

Only listen to Bulter, Sprott (Embry) and Turk... these guys get it.

Anonymous said...

For those of you who are interested in purchasing gold and silver bullion, Eric Sprott also owns a private company called Sprott Money. I personally like to buy previous metals from him because it is reputable and convenient. Their pricing is also very competitive! And the best part is that they do not report any of their transactions to the CRA or the IRS.

Here’s Sprott Money’s website and toll free hotline if you’d like more info on them:
http://www.sprottmoney.com
1-888-861-0775

Good luck with your investment and happy purchasing!

hotrocks said...

Make interviews via You Tube. Who has the time to read an interview? I sure don't. In this day and age of technology, why wouldn't you make a video or audio file interview? Seems lame.

Anonymous said...

Montana Mike, At 70 years of age, I have seen the the switch from silver to 'clad' coinage. If the US goernment does not have the metal to stabilize silver's price, as it did pre-65. Will any coinage minted be just specific weights without a dollar value stamped onto it? I do want to see PM coinage return for daily usage. It would require dollar devaluation. Just do not see it as a possibility anytime soon. Show me how. (MM)

Anonymous said...

I read an article somewhere stating Sprott is trying to "create" a market for silver. How can one man reverse engineer this silver demand. Ridiculous people out there. One of these days reality is going to pull the pin on the silver grenade and I'm all in..

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Anonymous said...

This is due to the fact that Silver has far more useful applications than Gold. As a result, despite Silver being about 14 times more abundant than Gold, relative scarcity will occur sooner with larger exchange rate differentials. The actual necessity for Silver is far greater than Gold. All of this is simply going to reduce overall abundance for the average person. Objective Silver scarcity will occur soon while Gold will never objectively be scarce since it is horded far beyond its actual necessity.

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