'War costs much silver', said Sun Tsu. He was right 2,500 years ago. His words echo down through the centuries, as true today as then.
And in a FIAT failure, real precious metal assets came back to their original preeminence as money and do so every time.
To say 'this time is different' is to deny the historical truth of silver and gold as real money.
I'm a ground pounder in the Silver Revolution. At the risk of being told I am crazy, it's my belief that gold and silver are real money. This is shared by every member of every culture, society, civilization and sovereignty in the history of humankind.
In the last year or so, clay pots containing the payroll of the Roman Legions that occupied Britain have been found, buried and safe for 20 centuries. The gold and silver coins were as an exciting a find to day as they were most likely exciting to the legionnaire who received them as his pay at the time of Christ.
PMs are scarce, hard to mine, easy to transport and divide into smaller units and, having the quality of a defined value over time; even to the rulers who embrace it.
FIAT currency has always failed eventually and spectacularly, ruining the empire, dethroning the emperor and thrown the common folks into penury.
PM debased by the empires and rulers have also failed, but not due to their original and intrinsic values. They were simply diluted with base metal until valueless. This was done because the Roman emperors had not adopted paper money, like the Chinese in their experiment in FIAT. Yet they still had to finance their imperialist advances.
One observation is that collectively people can be pretty sheep-like. Individually, they can be very smart and for survival purposes, are quick to see the real value of precious metals over the debased values of paper money
It can take decades for this realization to sink in until inflation is undeniable and quickly creates damage to the peoples income and wealth.
Once embedded in the public consciousness, the group think of silver and gold as a storehouse of value will take place in a very short time; much shorter than the period of FIAT debasement.
Every nation that failed due to the devaluing their currency has ultimately rebooted by resorting back to gold and silver in order to stabilize their monetary system, even if only to back another round of paper money
The US was under this system for nearly 200 years, using silver coins as real money and backing the dollar with the world's largest stockpile of gold, estimated at 16,000 tons. Debasing currency was a capital offense as well.
To the extent that the largest empire in the world, the USA, saw this as vital to its strength and its status as the world dominating reserve currency, so be it.
And we proceeded merrily along, until that evil bastard Nixon started the snowball of currency debasement by taking us off the gold standard in 1971, here we are today, furtively looking to gold and silver as our salvation and our way back from the brink. Debating the issues of whether these two metals have any value at all seems circular at best.
The Chinese empire and their money, like that of all empires attempting to monetize wars, conquests and social programs, failed at all turns.
We are doing exactly the same thing as every empire. We have a failing currency due to our imperialistic over reach.
'War costs much silver', said Sun Tsu. He was right 2,500 years ago. His words echo down through the centuries, as true today as then.
And in a FIAT failure, real precious metal assets came back to their original preeminence as money and do so every time.
To say 'this time is different' is to deny the historical truth of silver and gold as real money. You do not hear this debate in China or India, incidentally.
Maybe our notion that silver and gold are real money is a delusion; an attempt by the average person to attach some value to an item which helps the person gain a sense of real worth in an unreal world; a world filed with illusions and lies told to them by the rulers, presidents, prime ministers and overlords.
But if gold and silver's value is an illusion, then stay with it. It's shared universally by nearly everyone on this planet and has been for millenniums. As an illusion it still has some semblance of real worth.
And debate seems moot at this time.
20 comments:
I read something recently....can't remember where but, Apparently there has NEVER been a fiat currency that has lasted beyond 40 years once decoupled from gold.
Any input you all might have to confirm or debunk this would be interesting to hear.
lemme see nixon did the deed in 71....you do the math.
Crazy canuck
Yes the U.S dollar has lasted the longest but only because of the ability the banks have to manipulate it's value through the stock market and wallstreet. You feel safer holding them then by all means LOL..
SilverSpiff
Canuck, check out Mike Maloney, he talks alot about the 40 year time frame. Interesting, he has also mentioned a 500 year cycle where wealth/gold is transferred between east and west. Unfortunately it's going towards the east in this supercycle.
The wife and I plan on havin a kid or two. ( i know,i know....who would wanna bring kids into this mess.) Couldn't talk her out of it :-) Soon as they can talk, I'm gonna teach them to speak mandarine. I shit you not!
Crazy canuck
AGXIIK,
Insightful as always. Just one comment about:
"Maybe our notion that silver and gold are real money is a delusion; an attempt by the average person to attach some value to an item which helps the person gain a sense of real worth in an unreal world; a world filed with illusions and lies told to them by the rulers, presidents, prime ministers and overlords."
It took a bit for me to realize that gold and silver are money irrespective of the fact that people "attach some value" to these metals. What I mean is, their intrinsic properties make them suitable as money, and few other (if any) things the planet can fill this role.
For example, if I'm outside in the cold and want to start a fire, I'm going to use some wood because it burns easily.
The same with gold and silver... when the paper money fails and people are out in the cold they are going to reach for the things that look like and have the properties of money just like they always have.
I find the arguments like "You can't eat silver" or "You can't build your house out of gold" (see SD hall of shame) hilarious because the irony is that if you could, this would be an excellent argument to NOT use them as money! This is actually one of my fears about being all in to silver - if it turns out to be too vital industrially its monetary use may not reemerge. However I really don't think that this is the case because I find it more likely that a substitute would be found for its conductive and reflective properties than its monetary properties.
Anyhow, enough rambling from me, thanks for another good post.
Anon 12;31
Mike maloney is actually where I read it. Damn I've read so much from so many sources....it's hard to keep track of who says what. Thanks for reminding me.
crazy canuck
Anon 12:31
Mike Maloney is actually where I read it. Damn I've read so much by so many sources lately that it's getting hard to keep track of who said what. Thanks for reminding me
Crazy canuck
OOps....glitch in the matrix.
If a substitute for silver was possible they would have found it by now, and they've been trying. If your a company that produces solar panels, business is booming but a solar panel wouldn't work without silver. As the owner of that company you look into silver and read the same stuff we read. More's consumed than produced each year. Possibility of being extremely difficult to near impossible to find silver that's extractable by 2020. Solar panels are expensive and those guys have the money to try to duplicate it but they can't. Thus, silver really is the miracle metal.
T
I'll just keep my posts to the point from here on out. All my talk of it's a miracle metal and we are blessed to live in these times is probably getting old. It's all true to me but you guys know how I feel I don't need to wear a mini skirt with pom poms being silvers biggest cheerleader every damn post.
T
I think that Israel is going to drag us into WW3,Russia and China have already made it clear where they stand,can't you hear Bush the fucking retard war monger saying bomb bomb bomb,the us naval fleet sitting in the strait are sitting ducks as Iran and its allies have sunburn onyx missiles capable of speeds of 2100 miles an hour and turning an aircraft carrier into enviroment friendly vapor,i pray for our troops and sailors for being dragged into this madness.
hey T
Not that I know the first thing about how it's done. I can tell you there is a way to replace it....they are already working on it.
See
Graphene-stabilized copper nanoparticles as an air-stable substitute for silver and gold in low-cost ink-jet printable electronics. Also...gold nano wires.
Google wins again :-)
Crazy Canuck
Hey Canuck,
Your are right about industries finding other means to replace silver in electronics. The Graphene/copper is currently only used in low current applications if I remember right. This has actually been in use for several years. And though this is great for some electronics it's not good for other industrial uses (yet). The speed of travel for the electrons is still not as fast as silver along the printed wire. Fortunately for us, I think by the time this process is perfected, if ever, the crash will have long passed. Can you imagine carrying around copper-graphene coins. Ah yes, the next fiat. LOL. I'll try to find out where I read the above mentioned information and get back to you.
2 OZ.
Gold and Silver. There is no substitute. Great post Doc. You are the man. Keep on doing what you do. Looking forward to stacking Silver from your new site coming online. I would rather unload my fiat in-house than to some other site. At least I know you guys will flip it into more phyzz. Phuck the cartel. It's on.
Here ya go Canuck.
www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/spotid=7705.php.
This is a older article but still accurate. Being in the electronics field, I still haven't found any real progress in the technology. I'll scan my industrial electronics magazines for any updates.
2 OZ.
A little off topic here but Saudi Arabia announced this morning (Fox News) they were cutting oil production. Great for them and bad for us. This, after Iran stops oil sales to France and the UK. Troubling times.
Keep stacking,
2 OZ.
Graphenes will change our world as we know it, just as gasoline, electricity, plastics, computers, the internet and ultra exotic materials changed it. The cost of graphenes is still very high but with sufficient demand, that grey material that most commonly was used to create the writings of the ordinary pencil, will drop to a point when it is commercially available.
But I don't see it replacing silver any more that a plastic coin replaces a nice shiny .999 silver round or AE.
Agreed ANON 7:14.
2 OZ.
As written in 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu:
Sun Tzu said: "In the operations of war, where there are in the field a thousand swift chariots, as many heavy chariots, and a hundred thousand mail-clad soldiers, with provisions enough to carry them a thousand 'li', the expenditure at home and at the front, including entertainment of guests, small items such as glue and paint, and sums spent on chariots and armor, will reach the total of a thousand ounces of silver per day. Such is the cost of raising an army of 100,000 men."
So, it cost 1,000 oz of silver a day to raise an army of 100,000 men...
Assuming the average pay of a soldier today is roughly $120/day ($31,000/yr) in the U.S., 100,000 men would be valued at $12,000,000 per day. Thus, the value of silver as money in terms of labor calculates to be $12,000/oz. Something interesting to think about.
Of course, Sun Tzu was dealing with strictly physical silver.
China bankrupted itself on empire building, resorting to paper currency to finance wars and social programs. While we rooted around in the dark ages China was the at the peak of its civilization
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