Australian Bullion Dealer ABC Bullion has contacted SD to advise that one of its suppliers has provided them photographic evidence of a tungsten filled 1 kilo gold bar discovered this week. The bar passed a hand-held xrf scan which showed 99.98% pure AU. The tungsten was only discovered when the bar was physically cut in half.
After numerous reports of 400oz tungsten filled bars being discovered in Hong Kong, this is the first documented and verified report with photographic evidence that has been made public.
Submitted by Australian Bullion Dealer ABC Bullion:
Attached are photographs of a legitimate Metalor 1000gm Au bar that has been drilled out and filled with Tungsten (W).
This bar was purchased by staff of a scrap dealer in xxxxx, UK yesterday. The bar appeared to be perfect other than the fact that it was 2gms underweight. It was checked by hand-held xrf and showed 99.98% Au. Being Tungsten, it would not be ferro-magnetic. The bar was supplied with the original certificate.
The owner of the business that purchased the bar only became suspicious when he realized the weight discrepancy and had the bar cropped. He estimates between 30-40% of the weight of the bar to be Tungsten.
The two halves of the cut bar
Now that we have confirmed documentation that 1 kilo gold bars have been drilled out and filled with tungsten, look for a rapid scramble to verify the AU contents of 400oz bars which reportedly have also been tainted with tungsten (the market is 'stuffed full' of gold plated tungsten 400oz bars according to Rob Kirby).
For those unfamiliar with the original reports that 60 metric tonnes of 400oz 'good delivery' bars were gutted and filled with tungsten, and swapped with US Treasury gold at Fort Knox in a highly sophisticated plan, an excerpt of his 2009 piece is included below:
The amount of “salted tungsten” gold bars in question was allegedly between 5,600 and 5,700 – 400 oz – good delivery bars [roughly 60 metric tonnes].
This was apparently all highly orchestrated by an extremely well financed criminal operation.
Within mere hours of this scam being identified – Chinese officials had many of the perpetrators in custody.
And here’s what the Chinese allegedly uncovered:
Roughly 15 years ago – during the Clinton Administration [think Robert Rubin, Sir Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers] – between 1.3 and 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten blanks were allegedly manufactured by a very high-end, sophisticated refiner in the USA [more than 16 Thousand metric tonnes]. Subsequently, 640,000 of these tungsten blanks received their gold plating and WERE shipped to Ft. Knox and remain there to this day. I know folks who have copies of the original shipping docs with dates and exact weights of “tungsten” bars shipped to Ft. Knox.
The balance of this 1.3 million – 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten cache was also plated and then allegedly “sold” into the international market.
Apparently, the global market is literally “stuffed full of 400 oz salted bars”.
Makes one wonder if the Indians were smart enough to assay their 200 tonne haul from the IMF?
Read the rest of Rob Kirby's 2009 Tungsten Filled Fake Gold Bars Warning here:
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This has HUGE implications! WOWOWOW
They did it in rome at the end of that empire, rinse wash repeat
Well....son of a bitch!
Yep - that would certainly seem to be confirmation of what we've been hearing for years. I'l bet the Chinese are pissed - this, if I recall, began as an operation to screw them over. Trying to remember where I read this. Could be Christopher Story's research (which he paid for with his life) - his work is well worth reading - see index of articles here http://worldreports.org/news
I don't think I'll be buying one of those hand-held scanners.
The coin of the realm is now...ahem...tungsten. Really does have huge implications.
Rob Kirby did the original piece on tungsten story a few years ago .. Google Rob Kirby and tungsten
So what is real and what is fake?
Bars?
Ingots?
Coins?
How deep does this go and who did it?
Was it done at the mint or after it left?
Seriously, how low down the weight scale does this go?
XRF is only a surface analysis. It probably penetrates about the thickness of a piece of paper.
I use this type of equipment and it will not detect tungsten or anything else which has been covered by gold unless the coating is really thin.
Which means there is a lot less gold than is reported. Will this be the catalyst that propels gold prices to the moon?
And what about silver? Are there fakes too?
Doesn't suprise me. I had heard of this, but never seen one, even in photo. gold bars with tungsten core.
Supposedly China received a shipment of bars or ingots, at some point. I believe years back, they had them inspected and drilled, and found a reasonable % of them ( i dont believe all, but maybe 50 % +/-) to have tungsten as a core. This story was a rumour, but it probably was factual.
They weren't amused,..... which is understandable.
I can't remember the origin of where the ingots came from. I think some or part of the shipment came from the USA. I don't know if they had problems aquiring the gold, and china was becoming impatient. And thus it was decided, that to meet delivery, a % would be part fabricated.
I dont know if this coincided, around the time that GB sold their gold, or a large portion of it. And at the time, it was quoted, by i believe Gordon Brown, that they (the british) were getting good value for money, in GBP for their gold.
This may or may not be directly linked to the chinese shipment. I expect this story,(article) could be the tip of the iceberg. Who knows how many bars/ingots or coins are not pure, (which should be pure) and are only part gold (composite).
Counterfeiting has been going since Fred Flintstone adulterated his brontoburgers with pink slime.
Get used to this. When silver is called for, and shortages become more and more common, as is evident even today, criminal governments like the USSA, criminal banks like----we know their names---and just plain old criminals, will be faking silver, adulterating it and selling it to the unsuspecting who will be buying in a feeding frenzy soon enough.
I don't know about most silver buyers but at this time I expect that 1 oz rounds and AE coins are the best route to assure purity. Having a good electronic scale will help assess if the weight is right on new purchases.
But I also expect to see counterfeited rounds coming through the system soon as well. Caveat Emptor.
It makes the priority of stacking now, while prices are reasonable, all that more important.
When silver hits $60-100 an oz, the temptation to counterfeit on a broad scale will be irresistible. IMO
it looks like FOFOA's claims of this being a wacky conspiracy theory (usually a pretty lame counter-argument, and one often used by TPTB to discredit unsanctioned viewpoints) are wrong. Although I understand his need to be skeptical in light of very circumstantial evidence, this seems to be a bit more solid (no pun intended).
I'd still like to see more pics of this, especially of where the tungsten was hollowed out from the ends.
Anyone know the feasibility and costs involved in doing this on a smaller scale? Say one ounce coins.
For bars, especially LGD bars, I can imagine this to be feasible.
On coins, I'm not so sure.
When I first started buying, I did some research to find out the extent of fake bullion silver.
This is one link I still have - http://about.ag/.
While searching I also come across an article which claimed to uncover a "Peace Dollar" counterfeiting operation in Thailand.
Cal
Wow! Great work, Doc!
PLease keep us posted if you're able to find out any more about the ID, the serial number and where it leads you next.
SO....if they are drilling them out after they are poured they must be saving the drill shavings and pouring liquid/molten tungsten into the void or pressing tungsten bars /rods in to the void. And then pouring a bit of molten gold in the end to cover the tungsten core This would make it the tampering more noticeable on the ends/edges. Now, this would be much harder and less lucrative to attempt on the smaller bars, say 10oz and smaller. In addition the melting point of gold is 1064degrees Celsius and the melting point of tungsten is much higher at 3410degrees Celsius. So pouring in the tungsten doesn’t seem possible to me, as it would deform the surrounding gold, which makes the pressed in rods method more likely IMO. Now, the picture above shows the gold is compressed where it was cut in half, where the tungsten looks shattered, which makes sense being that tungsten is far more brittle than gold. I would imagine if a gold bar were flexed/bent (only possible on smaller bars) you would either NOT be able to bend it or you would hear a cracking/snapping sound due if there were tungsten present.
I’m no metallurgist but there has to be a relatively simple way to verify. I’d say if you’re not sure when making a purchase, tell the seller that you want to cut one in half. If it’s pure all the way through you will buy it. If there is tungsten present you won’t. Good luck with convincing your bullion dealer
I personally only buy silver coins and 10 Oz bars regardless of the slightly larger premium. When it comes to gold, I can only afford to buy it an ounce at a time anyway and the bars are always sealed and bar coded by the mint.
IMO if you are buying or taking delivery of anything larger and you don't check/verify, you're an idiot.
Crazy Canuck
Coins would be harder to fake due to the detail involved.
I would carry a digital scale, a magnet and a caliper if you're the suspicios type. Most mint facilities have strict size and weight limits. learn the sound a silver coin makes when you drop it.
research and learn or suffer the consequences.
Crazy canuck
A couple of years ago there was this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oURCIDfhDQ
further to my post about HOW they get the tungsten inside the bars. I can't see how the could suspend the tungsten correctly to POUR a gold bar around them without it being noticable
it would take a pretty sophisticated operation to accomplish this kind of fraud IMO
Crazy canuck
Darn, I guess I'd better visit my safe-deposit box on Monday, select a dozen of my 400-oz gold bars at random and saw them in half to see whether these are actually tungsten.
Scale, magnet, and caliper won't work. Tungsten passes the archimedes test (nearly exactly the same exact density as gold), and is not magnetic. I purchased a cheap tungsten ring and passed it over a neodymium magnet - no reaction.
GoldMoney has found that ultrasonic testers (non-destructive) do work though. Also, the metal is significantly harder, and much more brittle than gold, so it should not sound the same.
I believe that it might be difficult to make a coin with a tungsten core due to the brittleness and the way coins are pressed in a die (under such force, the tungsten might pop through the gold), but it's hard to say. (If anyone knows, please say something).
they probably put tungsten bars that were undersized in the holes and poured gold around them to fill the gaps
Anyone go look at the link I provided earlier ?
Check it out - http://about.ag/UltrasonicThicknessGauge.htm
Cal
With more and more stories like this coming to light, it is bound to drive premiums much higher on pre-1965 dimes! Got pre-1965?
Richard Mayberry does an excellent cover piece regarding this topic through a series of videos on his website. "Early Warning Report" I think is the name of his newsletter. He says, the smaller the coin or bar, the more difficult to counterfeit. He also shows you a product that consists of counter-weights and measuring devices all in one small carry case, that allows you to check the diameter, thickness, weight, etc. and they sell over the internet.
If you are worried about fake silver, stick to eagles, halfs,quarters and dimes.
That picture is not a 400oz bar. BS!
Hmmmm I seem to remember the fort knox thing a little differently.
Bush daddy stripped fort knox back when he was president to pay off chinese debts and handed it all over to them.
It was even in the mainstream newspaper for a short time also when it happened.
No one batted an eyelid at the time either. no one got angry no heads rolled.....nothing.
Presidents after bush daddy continued to wrack up debt for us so another payment of gold was neccessary, but since we didn't have it.....wallah.....TUNGSTEN!
The United States of Scammers..America is 100% FAKE!
Ok.
Here we go down the rabbit hole.
I read the story presented in the link.
The number $16 trillion keeps coming up in other stories.
There are some dots that seem to connect but I am not quite sure how to connect them.
We should start with the premise that this US government is as crooked as a dogs hind leg.
The Fed prints trillions in FRN and calls it real money.
Wall Street and the Banksters aid and abet this scam.
$15 trillion in Fed IOU's will never be paid back.
Trillions in counterfeit Fed notes printed in 1934 keep surfacing in Italy and Singapore, Japan and Dubai, all claiming to be real and all being used as an underground form of currency payment for drug and other 'illegal' commodities.
Here is where it get interesting.
If the story holds, someone manufacturered 16,000 tons of counterfeit gold. And it was put in Fort Knox
16,000 tons of real gold today would be worth about $960 billion. Not much, but a respectable total.
16,000 tons of gold was taken from vaults under World Trade Center building 7 before it was demo'd.
The Dragon Family has claim to several thousand tons of gold for the the treasury notes issued to them in trade for gold in 1934. They wanted safe haven. FDR wanted gold and traded T notes.
Where do these dots lead to and how do they connect?
Any guesses?
the bar shown is 2 kilos, about 2.2 pounds or about 36 OZ. Its not a 400 oz bar.
Sometimes, I wonder what has NOT been tainted by fraud when it comes to things of perceived value. It appears we are all at risk even trying to do normal daily business sad to say. I wonder if this could have implications of somehow at some point, this information will be used against physical buyers and declared of no value in some manner. Why not? If the feds try and pull a Roosevelt type of heist, they could easily do it under this kind of guise, knowing 'they' planted them. Just thinking out loud. I guess there is no limits to what these thieves can and will do when p;resented the opportunity.
Jim Willie talked about this fiasco over two years ago, and I always wondered if it was true...I guess he was on to something. Good advice from many of you also! Thank you. Yes, indeed verify verify verify any large delivery. Thank you for the article.
998grams actually ;)
So what would one do if they discovered their gold was filled with tungsten?
Makes you wonder what the final fate of these bars will be.
Good story Doc.
The 1983 London Brink-MAT gold robbery made two tons of tungsten bars disappear forever. Only a few of them surfaced one month later in Vienna. The official explanation was, that the numbers from the real bars got falsified onto the tungsten ones. LOL
Austrians Seize False Gold Tied to London Bullion Theft
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/12/22/world/austrians-seize-false-gold-tied-to-london-bullion-theft.html
"The police at first suspected the counterfeit bars were part of the Heathrow booty, but the spokesman said tests showed the bars were made of tungsten and only coated with gold."
don't trust machines too much.
What if metalor are doing it if its so technical to do, if that is so, who are thry doing it for and why? Now that really would massive
So the question is "are the vaults at Ft. Knox full of tungsten or just plain empty?"
could this be another example of fools gold? - what a rush - HA HA HA -fort knox!
The bar(s) shown were a kilo bar, now two more or less half kilo bars. The damage is not just if you bought faked bars, but if no one trusts your bar, how do you sell it? Somehow I don't see every dealer wanting to cut every bar he buys in half.
Not so complicated for any faker to pour melted gold on tungsten bars then stamp Metalor logo and number on the bar...
ultrasonics
http://www.goldmoney.com/video/gold-testing-short-video.html
Simple lesson here buy smaller denomination in larger amounts. If your problem is your so rich you need dozens of 400 oz bars to stash your wealth, then do the world a favor and suck a bullet out of a gun barrel you are the problem.
This bar was sold to a GERMAN dealer, not to a UK one...
@ swattsup
Not sure if I remember, but I think it has been like 40 years or so since Knox was audited? Maybe someone can help me on that time frame. Personally, as far as I understand it, Fort Knox has been empty for many years, the gold was moved, most is now supposed to be with the new york fed bank, but nothing to confirm this.
I do know, at least according to Sinclair, germany and a few other countries want their gold, and we are stalling in fulfilling their request. Not sure why it was moved here, other than some form of custodial management, but some Eu contries want their gold. If we do not deliver, maybe it is because we no longer have it...or it is all tungsten crap.
I have no idea, but I know things are not right and who knows what else is up the sleeves of the thieves. Hmmm...that would make a good song...maybe. You guys are a good bunch, I enjoy your thoughts and always learn something. :)
Jim in Pa.
You can find the same story in a German forum, posted a few days ago: http://www.bullion-investor.de/1605-goldbarren-mit-wolfram-kern.html
I don't think this is anything to get too worried about. First, it isn't practical to counterfeit the coins, especially from the governmental mints. The amount of work it would take to counterfeit an American Eagle with the quality required would be huge.
And think about this... Not many people do it, but people do punch holes in their gold coins to make charm bracelets and necklaces for the mistress. I did that to a 1/2 oz. gold Eagle a couple years ago for Valentines day. (Yes... The action I got that night was more than worth it!!!)
If somebody found the hole they punched wasn't exactly what was expected they would be able to follow the trail of the coin back to the counterfeiter. Or, the USA Treasury and Secret Service would do it for them since the gold Eagles are US currency. To make a counterfeiting operation worth while, you wouldn't mess with governmental mint issues.
Setting that thinking aside... If this continues to get press and generate concern, it won't be long before every pawn shop is equipped with the ultrasonic detectors and maybe even X-Ray machines. If there is any size to the market, these devices could be made very cost effectively.
This problem will take care of itself over time. But I doubt there is much risk for Joe Public buying through established dealers right now.
With a basic machine shop it'd be pretty easy to drill out 5 holes, sized to fit 5 tungsten rods, heat the bar slightly, press in the cooled tungsten rods and let it all cool - a nice tight interference fit. If one did a lot of these I'm sure there'd be a jig that would hold the five rods and they all get pressed in at once. Plug up the holes with gold, do a little electron beam welding to cover your tracks and Bob's your uncle.
Ultra sonic testing would detect the problem and the bar would probably be stiffer than a real one. This could be detected by the note (higher pitched ring) if suspended and struck.
Pure gold has a specific gravity of 19.32, and tungsten has 19.22, but often it's less, as many tungsten items are fabricated by sintering due to it's high melting point, and can't quite make 19.22.
So, A little machine shop work and a $20k profit per bar - not bad!
After WWII and during the cold war, a lot of European gold was stored in the States due to the worry of Russia rolling in and taking it all.
This may turn out to be ironic.
After WWII and during the cold war, a lot of European gold was stored in the States due to the worry of Russia rolling in and taking it all.
This may turn out to be ironic.
After WWII and during the cold war, a lot of European gold was stored in the States due to the worry of Russia rolling in and taking it all.
This may turn out to be ironic.
So what is going to be done about this phoney gold weight? after all, is`nt that what the N.W.O. is all about - money, power, and control? If records are kepted like those money hungry greedy bastards keep on every body else then there should be no problem finding out who is responsible for this con job. Can`t wait to see who goes down for this one and what happens to them HA HA HA again rember me?
And they even took the gold fillings out of the teeth of the war camp prisoners during the WW2.
they also plucked the gold teeth out of the mouths of the enemy....right on the battlefield.....dead or nearly dead.
Crazy Canuck
Also, if this was originally a legitimate bar, it is likely it can be traced from the foundry to the present owner. Or at least, there will be a narrow window of opportunity where this deed could have been done.
If more bars start to show up, you are going to see a pattern form and a lot of coincidences are going to appear.
This isn't going to be as lucrative as it appears on the surface.
Wikileaks' Julian Assange must read SilverDoctors Doc!
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/
Photographic evidence of a tungsten filled 1 kilo gold bar purchased in UK. (silverdoctors.blogspot.de)
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maybe we should all raise a glass to the QUEEN , the U.S. pres.mr. yes man, the dept of treas., and anyone else involved in this scam. is`nt this just like there M.O. - after all - they are part of the club - and - most of us are not - you know just common folk - given the mushroom treatment - fed shit and kept in the dark. think about it. HAHAHA!!!!
Doc, thanks for publishing this story. Whilst we all would like to draw links (myself included) to grand schemes of high finance I suspect the bar in question was the product of a criminal gang. They most likely bought a real bar with certificate, clamped it in a drill press, drilled out 5 holes and pushed in tungsten rods. The hardest part would have been convincingly resealing the drilled end with melted gold from the drill holes. Whilst I suspect this was not a once off it would certainly be rare. As most gold bought back by dealers (and all bought by scrap dealers) ends up getting re-refined or sold to manufacturing jewelers, if there was a large number of such bars we would be hearing about it on a regular basis as the bars were melted down.
Greg Hudson
ABC Bullion
www.abcbullion.com.au
ya know what - fill them gold bars with lead! give them all lead poisoning when they melt it down and breath the vapers. haaaaaaaa
bullish for tungsten!
" NIHIL FIDEI "
Trust no ONE!!! Except your kalashnikov!
why would you want the refiners to suffer from lead poisoning.
You dumb ass
I guess that thia is kinda what ocupy wall street is about. The gold mongers etc. are really all the same!! History really does repeat itself. Check out the BANKSTERS - action speak louder than words. HAHAHA!
re fake coins. a simple job with good micro lathes and jigs to slice two coins so that a 'hollow' tungsten filled whole is produced with perfect faces. Lots of novelty and trick coins of base metals so what is the problem with doing it in gold. Big profits for small operator. Caveat emptor and shoot the crooks.
if you are a sheepl then YOU REALLY DO support the banksters and are worried about where all that gold is going to HAAAA!!!!!!
There is always a dead president on amerikan currency. What have they done for you lately that was not a cover up or a lie! haha
Sorry, Christopher Story never existed and his real personage is akin to Benjamin Fulford. Therefore, There was Never A C. Story who paid with his life. ALL fable and giant rabbithole.
rember the penny? How many times have they changed the penny for there own benefit. Kinda reminds me of what this whole Tungsten gold thing is about. Screw the average person. Old saying - B.S. walks money talks or in this case GOLD CONTAMINATED BARS. Think about it. HAHAHA!!
Glad I`m not a member of skul and bones. How about Bohemian Grove - northern california,U.S.A. You gotta be part of the club or you are not a member. If you don`t belong, you don`t belong and they don`t care about you. It`s all a mental problem they got and they are in denil. Look at there history - they lock up or eliminate any one that disagrese with them. Nothing to laugh about though it is a joke. HAHA.
gold price when this gets out will go through the roof.
becuase people will realize there gold is fake.. and that there is not that much out there as thought... therefore making it a shortage, and also making verified gold bars go through the roof in price...
Years ago I purchased a one ounce fine silver coin from a dealer. It was a commemorative coin for a gem and mineral club in the midwest dated in the 1970's. My purpose was to forge the coin so I annealed and then hammered it. After a while it cracked and the inside was a bit darker and soft. I heated it again with the torch and the darker inside melted out at a very low temperature, much like pewter but not as low. It was a mess and I had several more advanced metalsmiths around for advice. Not one had ever seen or heard of such a thing and could not identify the darker metal inside the coin. I had to scrap the whole mess.
Ya know, if we all would get off of who has the most money and went back to cave man style and started to BARTER AND TRADE so everybody gets what they pay for instead of PAY FOR THIS AND THEY GIVE YOU THAT then maybe the people of the world could acuualy get along and quit thinking that they are so much better than every one else according to ther financal statis. Say justice ten or twenty times and see whatyou end up saying - could you be saying just us ?, hahaha!!!!!!
Gold and Silver coins are also being counterfeited. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=inn8iVASxLY
Buy only Gov't minted coins (Eagles, Maples) from direct Mint dealers (APMEX, etc) so that you know what you are getting. It helps if you buy mint sealed monster boxes.
Stay away from Ebay!!!
Get your tungsten fake gold products directly from the Chinese manufacture. Visit their website: http://www.tungsten-alloy.com/en/alloy11.htm
Fakes abound. Even Silver Maple Leafs are being faked. Know your source.
See here: http://www.ozcopper.com/fake-silver-warning/
Just to be contrarian. Could this be a double hoax? "The Powers That Be" constructing a bar with tungsten to make people who are thinking of investing in Gold think twice. The make the fake bar and then make sure it is discovered?
I should imagine the news will soon circulate and then people will be put-off buying Gold and Silver.
This is great news!!! It's my understanding that the only thing that will kill a globalists/eugenicist elite, one world government, global-warming fraud, eco/neo-nazi, zombie central banker theif is to shoot it in the head with a bullet made from a tungsten, gold, SILVER, and lead. This works even if they have a red shield standing behind them. OOOPS!!! Did I say behind them? I meant out in front, out in front of them! Whew, nice save, I almost gave away which family really runs the world. Oh... BTW, I'm not really suprised to see a mark from Switzerland as a "guarantee" as to the purity of this gold bar. Given to you by the same worhtless, dirty, backward, money grubbing, papist loving, mountain gnomes, that were o.k. taking gold from nazi-Germany during WWII. "Ya, Ve don't care if it came from vee mouths of dead Juden, as long as you wash the blood off of it first so it doesn't stain our hands." Switzerland: The dirty, little country that everyone HATED before there was an Isreal. I just can't wait to find out what the commie slopes are going to do when they find out they've been ROBBED!!! "NO MOLE SLAVE LABOL FOL YOU, LOUND-EYE!" [SIC]
I would never buy a gold ingot through ebay ... you have to buy it from a serious dealer - or you have the chance to get something from China....
this is not that big a deal.
it's an original metalor 1kg gold bar that was modified by drilling & filling with tungsten.
as long as you buy from a trusted source you won't have an issue.
a refiner like metalor isn't going to destroy their business just to make a quick buck, they would be quickly found out anyhow if they did that.
So, if it's true then there will be a nuclear war very soon. Of course Zionist Ocupational Govermrnt is a paranoidal fairy tail, isnt't it, fools?
Now wouldn't it be a lot easier to melt the gold, let it cool off a little, place the tungsten sticks, and top it off with the rest of the gold, let it cool off a little and add the logos and numbers and you're done. That would be a lot easier and more efficient -definitely, if done on a larger scale- than drilling, refilling and such.
Nothing surpises me anymore:worked in the scrap buz for 40 years..seen all types of scams...how many millions of people are getting burnt?Wish the world would get back to a honest days work for a honest days pay period...
6:39 am - you could not wait to wake up this morning, aftera night of masturbating to blast Jews. You are a loser.
Anti Zionism = Anti Americanism
Face it. Europeans came here and killed, raped and displaced natives. But I guess you are Ok with that. You wish to ignore that and blame all of the problems of the middle east muslim jungle on Jews.
What a filthy worthless muslim you are.
I realize this is probably from a "criminal" enterprise, but I wonder if mainstream realization would make the price skyrocket as some have suggested. Couldnt is as easliy make John Q Public more leary of buying gold and potentially hold prices back?
More and more fakes are being found. Why? More and more people are buying them. Why? More and more people are waking to the realization fiat is collapsing. Why? More and more money being printed. Why? More and more bailout's of the elite. Why? More and more power to be obtained by the criminals.
The paradigm shift is very close now. The dollars days are truly numbered. Get as ready as you can. Don't wait any longer for when the shift comes it make life terrible even for those that have prepared.
Stack high, start the garden, have fun with your family and friends and enjoy a very good beer,
2 OZ.
Never just the scan. You must always have your gold assayed.
"this is not that big a deal"
I'm at a loss for words
When to the citizens of th USA get their real gold back? When to those who authorized this go to jail?
I agree with George Silver, this could be a not-very-subtle plot to discourage investment in physical gold. Tell me this wouldn't be a worry if you were thinking of converting your savings into gold bars.
The smaller bar being drilled, that is. The big 400 oz ones were to cheat someone (the Indians or Chinese?) on a bigger scale. Lies, fraud, theft, and counterfeit bullion. Sickening.
-conax
In 1790 the law of the land was simple, basic and to the point. If officials of this country were found to be debasing our gold and silver currency they were subject to the death penalty.
If you counterfeit FRNs you get a long stay courtesy of Uncle Sam. In other countries you are executed.
I say let's get back to basics
If you are found guilty of counterfeiting gold and silver coins or bullion you are tried and if found guilty, you are executed. We need to stop pussy footing around.
I favor public executions. If found guilty, a person is taken to a public venue and hung or shot. It would be televised world wide. This should tend to discourage counterfeiting
If not, we will get some solid entertainment.
I am serious about this and an SOB when it comes to something as important as this. We have turned into a nation of pantywaists and wimps. What we need is some good old fashion country justice.
Much prefer Crucifixion, if you are really trying to discourage behavior, then Crucifixion is the way to go. Romans used it sucessfully for many, many years. All white collar crime should be handled this way.
There are times when being a 'poor' man has its advantages, this is definitely one of those times. Brings new meaning to the words fools gold. Bwahaha haha haha ...suckers...
I think that we all know why this happened in the first place - GREED - why else wo8uld any one take the time, energy, and then let it be known when it`s put out in the the news. It kind of reminds me of that kony thing that went viral. Hell, forget public executions for the maggots responsible for this gold thing - how about following in the foot steps of torture boy G.W. and have fun with a little public torture for a few weeks until they fess up to all there miss deeds. I think that that would not only be a lot of fun to do to those responsible for this and relive a lot of stress for a lot of people.Take that you greedy cheese eatin egg suckin rat slugs. HAHAHA!!!!!!!
1kg bars seem to have been around for quite some time, but drilling holes in them and then filling them with tungsten is new to me. I always thought they use tungsten blanks and plate them with gold.
check this out as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oURCIDfhDQ
Why imply that xrf could have possibly detected this?
Aonymous, (what's real what'S fake) man, your smoking the wrong shit lol lol lol
I am investing heavily in Tungston. It is my belief that in the future you will find Tungston bars filled with gold, lol lol lol
Rember the old saying " FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU - FOOL ME TWICE SHAME ON ME " For how long has this been going on and either nothing has been done about it or they have just never been caught. Kind of sneaky of them slugs to think they can get away with gold bars filled with whatever for any length of time. still think public torture and maybe total banishment to get them theives out of the public limelight. You can put them kind of people in prison and they will go to a private prison with special privelages as has been showen many times over in the past. Not funny, but verry interesting! HAHAHA. Kind of grinds my gears too!!!!!!
Wish we all could be smoking the same kind of stuf as they are! hahaha!!
this
There's a reason for this and it's the same reason the whole "financial world" is a bunch of weasels. They manipulate all the markets for profits that funnel to them, not giving a "rat's ass" about the fate of the country or, for that matter, the world. What are these SOB's gonna do when the middle class can no longer afford to buy basic foodstuffs or gas to go to work. Destroy the middle class and, at the same time, they destroy their profits.
I think somebody's smokin' somethin' if they think the politicians are gonna do anything about this. ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Them phony solid gold bars cind of reminds me of all that ground beef that was filled with Pink Slim. hahaha
The current "state of affairs" encompassing the world financial markets, in reality, is the largest "ponzi" scheme ever perpetrated in human history. If we are ever able to recover from the blatant criminality that continues to this day by the "banksters", it will very likely require revolution from corporate capitalism and a new way of looking at our overall existence in this finite world of our very soon to be depleted unrenewable resources that the multinational energy corporations are currently creating wars to gather. It is unfortunate that money corrupts and blinds those in positions to do anything about the lies of the "filthy" rich.
Maybe the Mayans knew that man's greed would ultimatley crush humanity in 2012.
Our Coppers are plated steel,i don't see a problem with electrocoating Tungsten with gold then pouring the ingot.
Where is the real gold? Let's see:London? New York? No, with the usual shysters running the US treasury at the time of the heist Robert Rubin, Sir Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers, my money is on Israel!
The most obvious is the most hidden. In other words - when the twin towers got hit everybody blamed it on terrorism, so on and so forth. Don`t ya think that was just a front to cover up all the fraudulent spending and lies the powers that be have been telling everybody. Just like these gold bars filled with tungsten. Someones nose is getting longer and longer. the laugh is on the people thet actualy trust those people in power. throw the people a bone and they will rollover for then. You know that saying - I see nothing, I say nothing, I know nothing! Conveinient isn`t it. HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! .
i don't understand why they used a tungsten? It's much lighter metal than a gold, very hart to work with , besides it's pretty expensive itself to make a mix. Looks like this is some government job.
This story made its way to Reuters, from SD via ZH, as a hit piece against physical gold. So the theory this may have been a plant could be accurate?
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/25/the-problem-of-fake-gold-bars/
Just thinking of other ways to verify real gold of a given configuration. Tungsten is twice the electrical resistance of gold.
5.60 × 10-8 Ωm is the resistivity of tungsten and
2.44×10−8 Ωm is for gold. So I reckon a very sensitive ohm meter could do the job.Once the resistance of a real bar of gold of a given configuration is known, then it should be possible to do comparative analysis on other similar bars.
Did Hugo Chavez really get his gold back, or did he get 'tungztened'?
Anyone saying there is tungsten there must be antisemitic!!!! OIY Vey! There is no tungsten filled bars. Would Bernake ever do that? Madoff was a nice honest guy too. You are just all antisemitic. It was al Queda, It was because Iran needed gold to build their nuclear bombs, we must attack immediately. What do goyim need gold for anyway?
I like the resistance test.
Also isn't there something called specific gravity?
Tungsten is used because it has almost the same specific gravity and weight as Gold.
Resistance test is unreliable, since most of the current flows near the surface, and therefore mostly thru the Gold.
The best non-destructive test is acoustic, similar to a ultrasound sonogram.
If you have a Silver Eagle, for example, drop it on the table and listen to the unique ringing sound. A fake will not have that distinctive ringing sound.
everything the Red Shield zios control or successfully infiltrate is geared up to be a scam or detrimental to the goyim
That was a Kilo..?
But Now we have Putins Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran, India....... putting a roadblock in front of the Red Shield orchestrated Arab Spring Revolutions next victim Syria and becoming Irans allie. - Finally we have a force to stand up against the Red Shields International Cartel - Thank F*^K
Already in France we have witnessed a phsy-op in the sacrifice of Jewish lives to change laws. is this only just the beginning in a planned slaughter of their own in a desperate measure to bring in police state tactics to deal with Free Speech and the growing numbers of critical thinkers out there
Where will this lead - Future Peace and prosperity, free from the banksters and their puppets - WW3 and thermo nuclear extinction - a Dark Age......
the Red Shield is a satanic cancer upon humanity
So Fort Knox has fake gold?
Hilarious given that it is supposedly a place for "safe good gold". :)
"So Fort Knox has fake gold?"
Where else would you keep your fake Gold? The place was empty before that! Plenty of storage room.
what's the price of a kg Tungsten?
Afaik a kg of Tunges would be about 40$..
It won't matter when gold ends up just being used to contain latinum......gold pressed latinum-currency of the future.
Except for its medical nd technological uses-the craving for this metal -and for glittering stones from Earth is irrational.Gold still can not be eaten-and that is what will be important whenRotschilds infinite greed turns civlisation back to the stone-age.
the tungsten rods appear to be TIG (tungsten inert gas) welding electrodes, commonly available from any welding supply store.
As their ponzy collapses they wil say if we cant rule thn no one can rule. A suicidal oligarchy with the queen as its head. The sun will never set on the british empire. Hence the iran nonsense if our system goes down we will take everyoneon earth with it down in nuclear fire. All designed to collapse on the auspicious date of 2012
Get yourself a Jolly Balance to determine the density of you gold.
If it's Tungsten (W) the specific gravity is 19.25
If it's Gold (Au) the specific gravity is 19.32
Is that REAL tungsten?
what do you think was kept in THE WORLD TRADE CENTER? RECORDS...FINANCIAL RECORDS..
@3:59 PM WTC were 7 buildings, which ones are you talking about?
Wrong, you are just a jealous dick. Go cry to the 99%
Ya know - it seems to me that somebody needs some good exlax to get them egg suckin money grubbin, richer than they need be, schucks to take a good look at what they are doing. what are they going to do when the only ones left are just like them selves - hold there litle buddy and wonder why nobody notices and nothing happens? I wish I could be the fly on the wall to see them fags embaress themselfs HAHAHA!!!! that would almost be worth the laugh HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Ya know, the W.T.C. did have there own area code. Or was it a zip code? To meny people to keep track or I guess. Could that be why nobidy knows where all them records and receits have gone and there are not any answers. Fly on the wall. HAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Try this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9X3iF6ntXQ
Fake gold
Fake money
Fake God
Fake religions
Fake government
Fake justice
Fake war
Fake commerce
Fake fake fake:
Thanks for the New World Order!
Everything is fake in this world!
There is the possibility that this bar was MANUFACTURED like this from the very start.
This explains why we are forced to switch to expencive fluoresant laser lights that emit dirty electricity in our buisinesses and homes !
Tungsten filaments are used in the now banned edison light bulbs ...( it only took a single edison bulb to light a room enough to read ..today it takes several " eco bulbs " ..
"Thanks for the New World Order!
Everything is fake in this world! "
- This is called MATRIX
Go, find your Neo.
:)
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i fear americas secrets even though its 7229 miles away its lies affect us all
this is seriously frightening. how can it be that no action has been takenN
Пилите, Шура!
This is why they want us to change to Compact lighting....tungsten is getting scarce
it was probably from america, i bet you people buying up the all the goooooooooooooooooold are pulling out your drills and praying to the lepricorn that it will be okay when you reach the other side of the ingot,
if you want to live free of this system meditate for peace, atleast then your helping more then your own greed feed from the lies of bankers (do you really think they will help you... cause gods enjoy a laugh too aristotle said so...) but hey now were moving into subserviant maybe you people need to lay off the colgate
I seriously doubt if the bar was much less than a 5-10oz bar such as a coin or 1oz bar that it would be worth anybodys time to salt one. But I could be wrong.
ultrasound thickness testing finds tungsten insets
You think a coin isn't worth the time to cheat with? Why are there ridges on the edge of a coin? It was because they used to shave a little off the edge, and until there were ridges, you had no way of knowing if you had a full coin or not. Never underestimate how far a cheater or thief will go.
And they are ALL jews.
Well as long as this helps to raise the supply of shiny yellow bricks, I really don't see the problem. The more the merrier.
Raising the supply is supposed to lower the price, but in this case the price goes higher, because you get less gold for the same money.
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