Monday is the Greek CDS auction when the CDS payouts will be determined and required. Yesterday, JP Morgue whistle blower disclosed on the CFTC's website that JPM has $1 trillion in Greek CDS exposure on their balance sheet. Individuals quickly responded with their doubts on the authenticity of the whistle blower. At one point, over 50% of the comments being listed on the SilverDoctors.com's posting of the letter were blasting the Doc for publishing the report. See the original article here.
Last night, Zerohedge published one of the internal documents from the whistle-blower, validating that he is a JPM empolyee. Zerohedge's legal team is likely in a much better position to take on a legal battle resulting from publication of such documents. We plan to allow Zerohedge and GATA to run with the ball from here.
Monday will be a pivotal day for the direction of the markets including gold and silver. Some of us still have a small percentage of our portfolio invested in precious metal miners. The million dollar question of the day is...Do you hold on to your precious metal stocks through next week, sell into cash, or sell into physical gold and silver? We are treading in dangerous water. Stay safe. This is an open forum for readers to discuss their thoughts.
55 comments:
"We plan to allow Zerohedge and GATA to run with the ball from here"...well played doc,love you man....run forest run
There is a lot of money on the sidelines. Gold and silver are long proven in wealth preservation, and that is exactly what people want. History is a fantastic guide......times are about to get interesting.
Fascinating story.
Thanks for the update.
Doc, this should teach some of those other naysayers a lesson: research what you say, before you 'nay'.
God bless you and the brave JPM gent! Praying for you guys. Lemme know personally what progress you end up making.
-Cleburne61
I like it. Bring on the whistle blowers. Its important for my sanity.
Wow! Personally, thank all of you who took up for the DOC. There's a million reporters but only a few with the large silver balls to report.
Keep on,
2 OZ.
the ground is froze to hard to dig up my stash and sell...so bring on next week,i feel fine being in 95% physical.hold on and let her rip...stay safe for sure,cheers
Doc, ignore the comments and go with your gut. This guy has too much info and data to back it up to be a fake.
AC_Doctor
great stuff
Doc was wise not to risk everything on this story.
This site had the first disclosure of the JPM whistleblower, hours before before the other popular sites disclosed the details.
Doc took a lot of flack for that post but many other sites put the whistleblower's post up, garnering a large amount of support for these actions.
As a member of the leading edge vanguard of sites which have disclosed massive amounts of vital data, Silver Doctors' primary goal is to assist silver seekers with information that allows us to make our decisions with as much information as is available.
This story is dangerous, explosive and best handled by those with the resources to wrestle with the blowback from JPM and other members of the government/corporate killing machine, AKA the White House, the Fed, the US Treasury Department, the DHS, CIA, FBI, aided and abetted by NDAA and its ilk.
I remember Watergate vividly and once the floodgates cracked open, the flood of information was unstoppable. If you got in the way of this flood you could easily be destroyed.
It will be interesting to see how much of this story is placed in the public eye. Like Wikileaks, Andrew Breitbard and others who have braved public scorn and derision, only to be proven right that there is evil in this world, Doc, Silver Doctors, ZH, Gata, InfoWars and other follow in the steps of whistleblowers who call foul and stand in the path of evil yelling "Stop, this far and no farther"
Thanks Doc for posting the story
IF. and that is a big IF. You can short the financials with a 3x fund called FAZ. DO NOT HOLD THIS FOR LONG TERM. A week or 2. Its a real good price right now, due to the financial Euphoria that is going on.
Dummy
Doc,
Thanks for sticking your neck out. As the forces of evil continue their subjugation of the populace, it is men like you and the unnamed whistle-blower who are fighting the good fight.
More and more are throwing off the politically correct chains that bind. It is a war for personal liberty that is at stake. We have been manipulated to a black/white, haves/have nots, dem/repub, left/right paragigm. It is going to be dangerous and people are going to die.
Best wishes to all the silver doctor crew.
Ordinary Joe
Hope it's true.. But just spoke to Gata and Tyler.. Both are skeptical
AGXIIK, you make some good points. It's clear the silver/gold manipulation issue has risen to the top level of US national security issues due to the implications for the doomed dollar. It's the only thing that explains the lack of media coverage, stand down by CFTC etc. The worst part is the government created this problem by painting themselves into a corner with their fiat money ponzi schemes and had no choice but to suppress the metals with the official sanctioning of the state. I think we all know how this will reach it's inevitable conclusion and have prepared accordingly. This is just the tip of a very large iceberg that leads to so many different revelations. It's ironic that a shiny white metal can lead to the collapse of an empire, but that appears to be where we are now.
So the reason that Monday is significant is because of the CD's being implemented? Correct?
i GUESS for the traders on here, using Dslv with a tight stop might generate some big coin?
Is this the release language Clif High talks about that grows and grows with each passing day, until the wave is so big right before your eyes you can't see past it at all?
One wonders...
God bless you Doc, can any one out there explain cds swaps and how they might effect the morgue?
Interesting new article in the Atlantic magazine on Greg Smith's letter; http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/why-greg-smith-is-dead-right-about-goldman-sachs/254609/
"...It's ironic that a shiny white metal can lead to the collapse of an empire,..."
The abuse of the monetary system has led to many a collapse of empires. This has been proven out time and again throughout all of human history.
Silver is money.
10-4 on your words Whiskey Six
Gold and silver have shoved more empires off the cliff than wars, pandemics and acts of God. Usually FIAT is debased along with way in pathetic attempts to save empires.
As you note, our government sees the cliff and expects the sheeple to play the part of the lemmings.
Not on our watch, my friend
Gold and silver are lurching and looming into the public consciousness with Iran's petro-gold exchange, China's PM exchange, the FIAT fiasco in Euro and silver and gold miner nationalization. Japan is really close to serious fiscal damage.
This movie is getting really ugly and we being dragged in as bit players. I am long on popcorn futures.
Anon March 16, 2012 1:02 PM: Yes, I think its rapidly being confirmed this is the time period Clif High has repeatedly said was coming. The 'secrets revealed' theme. Clif has been so far ahead of the wave that his work is being validated now. Did anyone catch Coast to Coast last night with Ed Dames? Ed said silver was the best investment.
Observations:
* CFTC has just removed the comment post by the whistleblower.
* Practically zero mainstream media coverage.
* Search on Google news, Bing news, etc, reveals hardly anything on this topic.
Conclusion:
Likely a cover-up going on. As was said previously, hardly anyone is disputing the contents of and charges made in the letter. The only dispute is whether this is a real JPM whistleblower or not.
(BTW, who uses 'JPMC' as an abbreviation for JPM? Factually, JPMC is more correct, as the company is JP Morgan Chase.)
Doc, thank you for your courage, sacrifice and hard work.
If I may, I'd like to make a suggestion.
As an open-minded individual, I am open to hearing opposing arguments.
However certain language/tactics have no place in civilized debates. Most of the posters on here and your friends are great, but a few bad apples really spoil the atmosphere.
Would it be possible to institute a simple rule on here - no insulting, abusive, belittling etc language? It seems to be getting worse. Do you need help with moderators?
I know this may not be possible and I'm sure you do the best you can, and we of course can try to tune out the negativity of some posters.
Your work is much appreciated,
MrG
within the next couple of months, the flood gates are going to open for the purchasing of physical silver and gold. Soon the sheep are goping to get it figured out that they are getting shafted. I see the sell off this week as an attempt for the shorts to cover before next week or the week after. We may see silver spot fall but it will come back up quickly. I think James Turk is right. 68 to 70.00 silver with in 2 to 3 months after we break the 35.00 level again. Don't be surprised if we see paper spot sell off. Physical will go up. Doc, thank you for your web site and all you do. Hopefully here soon I will be purchasing some phyzz and giving you a call.
I would like to get a few opinions.. I do have some SLV July call options. I am figuring on letting them stay. if I lose those FRNS its no big deal, the phyzz will more then cover the loss..
Mr. G: The new SD site (should be live in the next week or 2) will require a login in order to comment, that should help out immensely. But yes, we will also be needing mods here soon.
Email me at silverdoctors@gmail.com if you are interested.
-Doc
AGXIIK,
The better example is The Pentagon Papers. If my memory serves, 22 newspapers participated. When an injunction to halt publishing came from the Justice Department to the first two outlets (NYT, WPost), Daniel Ellsberg already had other papers ready to roll and as each "next" paper was hit with an injunction, the next paper was waiting in the wings to publish the next part of the Pentagon Papers. It was a classy embrace of the 1st amendment, and a real example of the press acting as the "fourth estate." True students of shadow history might also point out that there was a segment of the oligarchy that wanted that info out so it was helpful that there wasn't a united front against publication. The same can actually said about current views within upper-levels of the military today. There are many in the officer class that see the insanity of stretching our empire too wide and the insanity of using false flag enemies to justify turning the US into a police state. So, the moral of that reality to all of you out here is: yes, be wise and thoughtful in what you do, but don't go overboard with fear of taking normal, peaceful political protests and actions. Buying physical silver is actually something that can get you on a list. You gonna stop buying silver? I should hope we all have more of a spine than fearing that... Just be wise in what you do. But know there is no way to have the system change without a good many people being willing to stand up.
As for precious metals equities and next week's trading, I'll make a point here that has never been articulated on here to the best of my knowledge - and almost never elsewhere: The oligarchy has the largest percentage of their wealth in equity holdings, bonds, realestate and even physical gold and silver when speaking of the highest levels of the elite. Study the case of Homestake (e.g., gold-eagle.com/editorials/great_crash.html). Through true deflation and quasi-confiscation of gold, the leading US gold stock proved to be one of the best possible places to have money during the period. FDR wasn't about to confiscate Homestake, and the oligarchy are among those that own a ton of equity in general. There is a serious and very important diversification roll for owning these mining stocks. I know it has been painful as heck for periods of time given their performance. Yes, we could see downside volatility as other stocks dive as well. But it's important to spread your wealth around. Diversify.
or maybe it was removed per the mission to decieve PM bugs who are desperate to believe just about any rumor.
If this whistle blower is real:
- Then wtf is the DOC that he would have such contacts with an insider of grand proportion.
- How did DOC get 2 interviews with Eric Sprott if he's just a regular joe.
If this whistle blower is fake:
- DOC is being led astray.
- This is most likely a troll OR JPM/Elites trolling for some keen insight on how PM bugs will react.
- runlevel
Did you see the ticker runlevel, seems to be missing now. SilverDoctors.com by my calculation pushed around 30,000 views per day. If you look at their alexa.com rankings, they are 39,000th most viewed website in the United States. If memory serves me correct, they are just now turning a year old. Eric Sprott reads it daily, as he stated in his last interview, because he loves silver. Sprott doesn't care if your name is Michael Jordan or Joe Smith. If you have good information, he is going to look at it.
Whistle blower is fake, Doc is being led astray? How about Zerohedge which has now posted three times on the subject matter compared to Doc's two?? Let me guess...Doc and Durden are best friends too?
I hope Doc makes your IP the first one he blocks. Show a little respect around here.
One of the first things I did after seeing the Eric Sprott interview was to check alexa.com's ranking of SD because I could instantly see SD was about to go through a phase-shift in public awareness (and it wasn't just Sprott being here, but it's that the site isn't polluted with too much noise-to-signal yet like Zerohedge).
The ranking was over 100,000 and that was less than a month ago.
By the end of the summer, the Doc is going to crack 10,000.
Let's all help make the site crack 5,000 a year from now, with kitco.com's rank the next goal.
Doc,
Looks like zerohedge pulled the 2nd article about the whistleblower. At least I cannot find it. It was the one after they said it was a fake and just when you posted this article. Just sayin somthin's goin on.
Ordinary Joe
In light of the Wynter Benton sham, the Doctor had to make sure the story was legit. But I missed those docs that were posted. Hmmmmm.
I just quit smoking yesterday so I need to rant.
Here goes.....
I'm very interested to see what the mass response to the CDS debocle will be like next week. I suspect it won't be an instant implosion, but depending on how the MSM is allowed to report on it. There will be outrage from the insiders and the stackers...or...increased sell offs in equities and bonds while everyone runs to safer shores. Short term volatility will be huge because most people are stupid or scared, so don't follow the masses when they run off the cliff. I'm gonna keep an eye on the DIA as an indicator.
While we are all hoping and waiting and trying to figure out when the bets we have made by buying physical PM's will pay off. It would be smart to remember that every time we react to a single piece of info from a web site or a PM guru, the ENEMY learns from the murmeration. They will test our resolve and try to anticipate our weakness at every turn. To beat those that would steal from us, one must (try to)think like the enemy, act unpredictably and with resolve and use ALL the information available to you, not just the news or opinions that agree with your PM mission.
It's the ART of WAR, people, and believe me, the enemy considers this a war.
My message to the enemy is,
My Stack is my mission and my ammunition, my blood and my breath. I will NEVER submit to your games or your greed by selling unless i WANT to. As far as I'm concerned my stack belongs to my children and their children.
Crazy Canuck
lol @ 4:00pm
1) Respect? I have respect for DOC (whoever he might be). I simply pose the scenario's i see so far.
2) Blocking my IP? Not sure about you but i believe in the 1st Amendment regardless if the traitor in chief has outlawed it.
3) Now i may be mistaken but.. the first article on ZH was calling BS on this "whistle blower". and the second article only cited the fact that CFTC took down the supposed whistle blower letter.
4) i havnt yet decided what i believe in regards to the whistle blower or if there is anything nefarious or what have you, with DOC. I only call into question how someone can rise to such prominence on the tubes in such short time and to even be contacted by a whistle blower the likes this world hasnt seen yet (ie: becuz all hell would break lose if its true).
5) Asking questions, posing scenarios and not accepting what i see right away is a patriots duty. I find it odd but not improbable that DOC out of no where starts this site, then out of the blue it seems suddenly starts dealing metals with rediculously good deals, has eric sprott interviews, and is contacted by the worlds greatest whistle blower...
6) i just find it interesting and have called out what i see as... odd.. in my opinion.
7) IF I AM WRONG, IF THIS WB IS REAL AND DOC IS REALLY JUST A NORMAL GUY WITHOUT TIES TO ANYTHING NEFARIOUS. Then this will come to light and I WILL ADMIT FAULT for calling out some of the above interesting things.
8) I would never hope for another person's voice to be silenced via IP blocking. For i believe in the US Constitution. As much as i might hate that persons words. So in otherwords 4:00pm, grow up.
- runlevel
1st of all can I get some links? Where is this "Zerohedge report?" Also, what are GATA and ZH doing in regards to 'running with the ball' in regards to this story?
2nd. The ONLY people that should be banned from your site are the people that ask for others to be banned! FUCK censorship and all the dumb fucks that support it. As soon as you start banning people/posts you lose credibility. Also, fuck groupthink! Follow the Zerohedge/fight club model.... or ... fuck off.
^ thank you smart human being 5:56pm and awsome time stamp.
- runlevel
Runlevel...whoever you are :-)
From one good soldier to another.
well put!
Question everything!!
Our future depends on it
Crazy Canuck
@RunLevel: I guess I will take your conspiracy theory about me as a compliment. lol...not everything is a conspiracy.
Theres been a lot of hard work put into this site over the past year that is starting to result in some success and awareness...about 60 hours a week of donated time actually.
Eric Sprott reads SD because he thinks it worth his time apparently. So does Ted Butler, David Morgan, Ned Naylor Leyland, and about 30,000 average Joes a day as well.
As far as the bullion sales...its not like we have APMEX going on here. As we have stated, the whole goal of the bullion sales is to hopefully eventually generate enough revenue that I can quit the day job and focus on SD full time. Over the first 2 weeks, we generated roughly $400 in profits...so we're not going to be an apmex or gainesville anytime soon...we could use the support of our readers rather than these skeptical conspiracy theories.
Finally, the zerohedge link is at the top of this article to the JPM whistleblower document they posted last night.
Thanks, and while we try to let people express their opinions as much as possible here, lets try to keep things civil and stop the fighting amongst ourselves. A house divided against itself cannot stand. We have a common enemy, lets keep focused on that.
-Doc
you know what makes the best soldier? that's right!...it's the one you never see coming...you Mr. Diamond and your monkeys at the freakin morgue are like a bunch of deer in the headlights,,,David and his boy's are ready to let her rip...only then will you have realized that you had been duped and double crossed ...been warning you...
Sheldan Nidle
Great post DOC. I read everything from King World News to Zero Hedge to Robert Kiyosaki etc. I, as well as others form our own opinion and act accordingly. We research what we read and base our opinions on current and truthful news. Every, and I mean every site or news organization can't everything right 100% of the time. I, for one, have been very impressed with the the correctness and volume of information here.
We will persevere with sites like this and others. So, keep on keeping on and thank you and the other sites. Thank you also for your guest posts like Flying Wombat, AGXIIK, Crazy Canuck, Sierra and all the rest.
Stacking on and listening and learning,
2 OZS.
PS. Can't forget T and Silvergeorge, Silverstax, Mammoth (heavy on the Mammoth), Ordinary Joe, Ol' Ford Truck, SRV339, Runlevel, Whiskeysix and a multitude of others. Without all you I would be so in the dark. I know I've left out a million others but thanks to all.
2 OZ.
Doc I hear what you're saying but you have to admit the comments directed at those who questioned the whistle blower were obsurd. All of us who questioned it were continuosly labeled trolls. That stung because I've been leaving comments on your website long enough to prove I'm a silver bull. I feel good about questioning things and not taking everything as the truth. It's a good quality a lot of your readers don't seem have.
I'm definitely going to sign up to your new website, I'll abide by your rules as long as they apply the same to everyone. I know you good enough to know you wont just censor people who disagree with you. I also know I better think before posting, sometimes or most of the time I get carried away. I'm real glad theres a better chance this story is true but all we have to do is look at the results a far better whistle blower, andrew mcguire got. Not a damn thing for the silver investor, he got paid speaking gigs, interviews, notoriety of course he also almost got killed in a hit and run too. Time will tell.
T
Never letting an opportunity to opine go by, this site was my first introduction to all things silver and gold. Not that I was competely uninformed about PMs since I had a check book to purchase silver and gold from a reputable dealer, I also had a father in law who was all in on metals.
This site caught my interest as much due to Doc and Bull Run's posts as the nature and quality of the people who offer their opinions on SD.
From here I launched my PhD in PMs, 5 hours a day for the last 8 months, blog hopping daily to at least 20 sites, partly to get as divergent a view of those things which affect our investment and financial lives as much as the human factor of this community. And a very diverse community it is.
With the valuable advice and input from all parties, I have pushed through so many types of conversations, from the on-the-street stackers, and I think of myself as primarily in that category, to the top silver speakers.
With all this and more, given the ongoing FIAT debacles of Europe and the USA, I am appreciative of the fact that this site is a great touchstone for the type of information we need to remain informed of the events whirling around us.
Another thing is important to note.
I've communicated with Doc and Bull Run often, am using their buying services for silver (those prices are the best I have found), and in these conversations they have made their fundamental ethos clear to me.
That cemented a bond of trust that I can take to the bank, literally, since buying PMs from people sight unseen requires an element of faith in the process.
I could say more but with Greece, CDS/ISDA matters looming Monday and the JPM whistle blower coming to the forefront, I'll sign off now, wish everyone a safe and enjoyable weekend.
Runlevel, The second article was zerohedge admitting there may be something to the story and said they were reserving judgement. That article is now missing.
Ordinary Joe
Re: my comments about moderation above
I'm strongly against censorship - that is censorship of ideas. If you can't express an idea or argument without insulting, abusing or belittling someone else, then it is a weak or non-existent argument anyway.
This site is about helping people, about learning, sharing and caring. That may sound corny, but selfishness, narcissism and zero sum mentalities have gotten us where we are today, and it is nowhere to be proud of.
Why does this site have to be like Zero Hedge? Can't it have its own personality? Zero Hedge is great, but think of how many fantastic posters and contributors have decided not to contributue there, one of the most important websites of our time, due to the often nasty and unnecessary posts?
I don't want to emmulate those losers at places like Goldman Sachs and JPM, who are just concerned with money, and on their deathbeds will realize they had no worthwhile relationships independent of money, neglected their children, never helped anyone, and realize their lives were a complete waste.
MrG
You all get rich quick on silver scamps are dumber than a box of hammers.
Blythe has got you all wrapped around her finger with this one.
All you little children cry wolf.
And the next time the real truth comes out it will be dismissed as conspericy as a result.
You all dumb ass fools. You are being set up and had.
No ANON 12:31. We're just stacking and happy. Go away now and happy trails.
2 OZ.
Attn Eric Sprott;
In my opinion you have the power alone to stop the price fixing on the Comex etc. but you are too afraid to play their game lest you be seen as not being a 'good, law abiding citizen'.
You know every guru, analyst, journalist,manager, silver company exec in the business yet you can't rally them together to put pressure on silver producers to fix the price using another model other than the Crimex? Why haven't you organized a union for silver miners to unite under to fix the price of silver? Are you somehow worried that the enemy will accuse you of price fixing? Here is how you should be thinking in my opinion. You get the members together to make a sudden announcement that all silver miner members will as of a certain date no longer sell their produce at the Comex price but rather 50.00 above spot and let it fluctuate there. What is the worst that can happen? Do you imagine that the enemy wants to accuse you of something they are themselves guilty of and have their crooked dealings brought into the light of day? You have tried fighting them with everything except their own tactics. STOP taking the high road, you will never win as they are simply laughing at you. Furthermore if any newsletter writer or other influential silver community member disagrees with this idea then let them be ostracized as enemy conspirators.
Consider that just the very public announcement of a "silver producers strike" where silver is pegged higher or simply held off the market until the CFTC acts and ends this madness will in itself send shock waves through the markets thus bringing publicity to the manipulation
quality post "4:40 Am"
i,m sick and tied of posters being labelled trolls, its bull shit, i supose you would call anon 4.40 a troll, and obv you call iluvpms a troll, i am in big on silver phyzz but starting to think the whole thing of manipulation and control will never be broken. and this post about wistle blower is horse shit
silver bull/troll
Greetings and Happy St Paddys Day from the Son Of Sam. If my may throw in my pre 1964 half dollar, I believe that all the talk of whether a whistleblower is real or not real is irrelevant. We don't have to "prove" or disprove whether a conspiracy exists or not, nor do we have to continually just REACT to the devious tricksters on Wall Street or in Washington, or among their propaganda arm in Hollywood/MSM --- or as I like to refer to them, the real "axis of evil". What matters are the facts.
So let's spell out the facts, shall we?
A) Government at all levels has made promises that it cannot possibly keep -- both here and overseas
B) The real beneficiaries of those promises are faceless, soul less corporations. Ever been behind someone in a grocery store line who is using a food stamp card? Ever wonder who makes billions helping the government issue those cards?
C) If you or I get a computer scanner and crank out some nice new Benny bucks to help pay for stuff we can't afford, its called "counterfeiting".
D) If the government cranks out TRILLIONS of those same Benny bucks to help pay its bills, prop up the stock market, or keep corporations from imploding that are "too big to fail" thats called "quantitative easing"
E) Too Big To Fail = Too Fucking Dumb To Survive. I believe Darwin had a word for it. If there were any dinosaurs left, they could tell you how that word applies too
F) However you stack it up, ALL forms of quantitative easing result in inflation. It happened in Babylon. It happened in Rome. It happened in Spain. It happened in Weimar Germany. It happened in Zimbabwe. It is happening here.
G) The government that engages in such activity will take steps to protect itself. It will LIE and say there is no inflation. Ours is doing this by not measuring things like the price of food and gasoline
side note -- I went to Wal Mart the other day to stock up on peanut butter. The price on a 40 oz jar of the WAL MART BRAND was almost 6 dollars!!!!! "No inflation" my muscular buttocks!
H) One reaction to inflation is -- and always has been -- a rush into precious metals : gold, silver, platinum, etc. This seems to "push up" their value, but it is actually a measure of how much value the fiat currency has LOST
I) Neither the government nor their corporate partners want this to happen. So they engage in various maneuvers to keep the price of gold and silver smashed down. That way, they can try to convince most people that PMs are for weird little paranoids, the stock market is perfectly safe, T bills are rock solid, housing is going to make a come back blah blah blah....
Now I would like ANYONE here, "troll" or not, to try to disprove a particle of what I have laid out here, in language so plain and firm as to command their assent.
And if no one can, what possible difference could a "whistleblower" make one way or the other?
stand strong until freedom dawns
Son Of Sam
Son of Sam Right on!
All you say is dead bang accurate.
The hurricane of BS flying in our faces is irritating as hell.
We're being lied to every minute of the day. I figure anyone talking on the TV is lying. Maybe not every one but to keep my sanity I just assume they are lying.
Pump gas, buy peanut butter or even a ordinary can of soup. There's act tells you the truth. The prices are obscene. And it's this type of cost erosion that grinds us to dust.
Does anyone has a recipe for making peanut butter. I like the stuff and it really hacks me off to find a jar costing $10 in some places.
anon 11:05 that's EXACTLY why I believe this situation is going to right itself. They can fling around all the propaganda they want, but people KNOW when they're being lied to. Its just a question of getting people organized and getting them to act in their own damned best interest
stand strong until freedom dawns
Son Of Sam
"You all get rich quick on silver scamps are dumber than a box of hammers."
This is about the tenth time I've seen this cliche' used and every time they get it wrong.
It's 'dumber than a SACK of hammers', you dullards.
If you can only write in tired old saws, at least get them right.
always a few that flap and arch in vain under the fragmenting monetary system...that's you anon 4:51...don't worry though it won't take long once word gets out that silver is flying...atleast you'll have your sack of hammer's though!
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