Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Gold & Silver Will Bottom This Week, Bull Market is Nowhere Near Over!

From SD Reader FW:

So long as the PM fundamentals remain bullish, the wise hedger and professional investor is one that buys these dips. The charts might scare the crap out of you, but that's just the way of our world. The PM sector is not like most markets. The charts are "painted" by the management actions of powerful actors with every incentive in the world to support the global, leveraged inverted pyramid fiat system (including fear of outright system crash and French Revolution scenarios; the end game period is here and the powers that be are going "all in" because they have few, if any, alternative options).


I agree with Doc's analysis in full with one small exception. At this stage of the game, we do indeed have organic weak hand selling that comes in after the table has been set. Thus, today's action isn't strictly an artifact of Cartel direct action. There are indeed many traders scrambling for liquidity, and many traders are also placing bets on an incorrect (in the intermediate-term and long-run) view about a deflationary spiral in Europe creating consistent downward pressure on precious metals, in part, because these traders do not see these metals as representing true no counter-party risk money. They view the US dollar as the only "safe" form of money to hold during deflation. Heck, even gold as money is debated and questioned by the majority of the people that make up the individuals controlling short and medium-term money flows in the financial system. That worldview is the extreme "bubble" view, which has taken hold in the last forty years in the West.

Obviously, I disagree with these brainwashed money managers and history is on my side. Never mind the 5000+ year history of precious metals serving as real money. You need only look at the PM sector rebound out of the 2008 deflation scare as but one example of counter-party risk free "real money" showing it's true shiny colors during a time of deflation.

After reading the above the Doc would probably agree with me. I only make this point because there are many "trolls" showing up, bit**ing and complaining. There are bound to be many folks here that are genuinely scared as well. 
Know this: It's not possible to call a bottom with exact precision, but the fact that we now see traders pushed to sell for liquidity and other traders placing bets on further downside momentum and the "deflation spiral" bet is part of the phenomena that creates the swing in sentiment and the bottom in the metals. We're close to that bottom and if I had to call it, I would say it happens this week.

When it comes to the investment picture beyond the next 30 days, there is only one thing that concerns me with respect to holding gold (and to a lesser extent, silver): a coordinated global currency system reset following a crash, where draconian measures are applied to precious metal holdings in a great many countries simultaneously (most likely capital controls and taxation, NOT outright confiscation). Even with this risk factor identifiable, a rational argument still exists for hedging by owning physical PMs.

The monkeys on TV can screech all they like about falling demand for gold and silver (counter to reality in the physical market on both the supply and demand side of the equation). The 20 through 40-something year old money managers that control 80% of the global money flows in a 30 day period can foam at the mouth about chasing US dollar momentum on the ill-conceived safe haven trade all they want. The dollar will not prove to be a safe haven in a true contagion situation. Truth be told, these money managers are making a bet on limited contagion because up to this point we've lived in a world were governments and central banks have been able to play the game of "saving" the debt bomb world with more debt, thus proving the money managers "right." That game is not sustainable and indeed, you need only look at the documents published by the think tanks and monetary institutions (BIS, Fed, etc.) to see that the powers that be are openly talking about how to develop the next global monetary system. And never mind the question of when the end game will arrive. I would argue that we're now far enough along that the Greece CDS situation will either cascade into a global contagion or we will see the can kicked down the road on a global basis for many more months to a few years. The likelihood of some middle of the road situation where all hell breaks in Greece but the US dollar remains unscathed is very unlikely, which brings us back to the question of what will govern the short-term trading decisions of these money managers currently moving towards the "safe haven" trade of the US Dollar? I think the sentiment shift will once again come when the dollar index is around the 82.5 level at the highest. Everything will likely turn around and reverse unless a real black swan flies out of the CDS market next week with respect to Greece -- and again, if a real global contagion erupts, it will eventually hose the US dollar too and leave gold [and silver] as "the last man standing." The momentum traders betting on the dollar will take profits no higher than at about the 82.5 level. Meanwhile, their trader friends making the safe haven dollar bet will see the end game for the Greek CDS situation unfold next week.

Again, the dollar will not be a safe haven if indeed the CDS market really does launch a flock of black swans (gets back to Jim Sinclair's observation about gold as the "last man standing").

So, could silver fall into the high $20s in the next few days? Sure. But the fundamentals remain in place for much higher prices and those fundamentals are not going to evaporate even if all hell breaks loose in terms of global economic activity. Industrial demand is not going to be cut in half -- even though the metal sometimes trades like that is what people fear. Meanwhile, investment demand for real, counter-party risk free silver will continue to grow at a strong rate on a global basis while fresh mine supply will contract during a true global economic crash (because 70% of the silver pulled out of the ground each year is now the byproduct of production coming out of base metal mines like copper mines).

I dislike these sell-offs as much as anyone, especially when the sell-offs are initially set-up by the Cartel's actions, akin to pushing a boulder over a ledge and then letting predictable market actions play out like Pavlov's dogs. But the reality is, the precious metals bull market hasn't been in a bubble and the bull market is no where near over.

So long as the PM fundamentals remain bullish, the wise hedger and professional investor is one that buys these dips. The charts might scare the crap out of you, but that's just the way of our world. The PM sector is not like most markets. The charts are "painted" by the management actions of powerful actors with every incentive in the world to support the global, leveraged inverted pyramid fiat system (including fear of outright system crash and French Revolution scenarios; the end game period is here and the powers that be are going "all in" because they have few, if any, alternative options).

32 comments:

Seen this before said...

Where have I read this before? This is just to make the stackers feel better. Some sort of similar article is always trotted out when PMs continue their downward slide.

Anonymous said...

Doc
I`ve been in PM`s for about 4 years. I have a nice stack. I even purchased today. I am beginning to waiver, on the notion that the big banks are running out of options. Seems they can pull these short options out of thin air on a whim.

Anonymous said...

Patience.....patience....great things come to those who are patient. The fundamentals haven't changed. If silver wasn't soooo valuable it wouldn't be manipulated like it is. Please take the time to read the "Silver Stealers". Silver is treasure!!!!

Anonymous said...

4:48

Why do you use the "the stackers" in the third person? It looks like you don't stack, but just troll sites like this. If you'd pay attention, you would notice there aren't many weak stackers in here. You're wasting your time and bandwidth here. That is, unless you're being paid by the Commercials.

BUT, if you are actually stacking. Wanna to sell it? Sell it now before it gets lower. I'll give you $2.00 over spot. Hurry! I think it'll be in the 20s this week, the 15s next week, lower after that. Hurry. CAll me at 1 (800)328-7448 (spell it out).

Anonymous said...

I've seen what I've seen that before said before (4:48PM)- LOL
You get these kinda fellas (sorry - indeterminate sex assumption)on all blogs.
It says more about them as a person than about the blog they harras.
The people on the blog he should be on have already picked them for an antisocial person and their skewed views don't quite fit so they go to a blog in "oposition" to their view and lay down vexacious and inciteful nonsense.
I think we should feel sorry for them - LOL
I'm a "stacker" and I feel better already : )
Cal

Seen this before said...

Absolutely, If we can't believe the B.S about PMs going higher what can we believe? You can feel sorry for me and I definitely feel sorry for you.

Anonymous said...

I watch this up and down stuff happen over time.
Trolls are 'ten a penny' punks; 'gun talk from a water pistol', just like those big old, big, yes, old, definitely, naked shorters, those 'here today, gone tomorrow' skinny dippers in the long game. All mouth, no trousers, fiat to burn.
The tide is going out-whatever.
The East is stackin' for the feast. The West... ain't what it used to be.
Talk is cheap, beer costs money.
Have it? Hold it. Play this 'ole poker game with a strong hand. Never blink.
Got some? Good. Gambling is for fools. Investing in fundamentals is both prudent and wise.
The less silver you have in your hand the more you seem to have to say. The better your in the phys' the less jizz you spout. Grampa
Now stop fretin' y'all.

44 mag.629 classic said...

thirty bucks or lower and iam buying 1000 maples.

Anonymous said...

I`m anonomys 4:52; Im not bashing silver. I`m in deep. My question is: When do or how do the commercials run out of short options?

AGXIIK said...

The the post is by Flying Wombat. He presents some of the best essays on this or other blogs.
I like his material and use his advice. If he's a troll or shill I'm a stripey a**ed baboon.

If this knock-down continues I'm going to have to buy some more silver, storage space or not. It's as simple as that.
The CDS mess, with Greece's British rule debt thrown on to the doorstep of ISDA, Spain and Portugal's effects on the Euro debt and CDS markets, the SOBs at Fidelity screwing me over---hell, I'm sick of all the other stuff that is going on.

PMs work for me. And I don't give a rat's behind about COMEX, JPM, manipulation or anything else. I stick to my post about silver going into shortage by August to back up my contention that this interim period is just noise and a bunch of commotion.
Butler, Sinclair, Willie, Graham and Brother John have the stats to back up their assumptions. Dr Willie'w two reports from February paint a picture so glum that it keeps me up at night.
That said, silver can go below $30. I don't care other than it gives me opportunties that I missed earlier this year.

Anonymous said...

the bankster have ultimate patience they know if they can keep this going for a long time people get disheartened and sell. i say we know the game but to sell for what? when you sell it will be to the banksters. who offload on the rises. then buy on the dips. they are buying toms of silver and lots of gold. yes this article is correct, but it requires patience. we know paper money is going to die. we also know silver and gold are indespensible. gold for money silver for money and for industry(no country can go to war without it.) i am going to keep stacking. silver is still up %100 in two years now. thats 50% a year. it was 15$ an ounce in 2010 at this point. these people who have no patience sell your silver.buy dollars you moaning minnie

Anonymous said...

****ATTENTION DOC****

You should run this story. Very interesting.

http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/03/lloyd-blankfein-goldman-sachs-oped/

Beacon

Anonymous said...

Stay calm,be patient and keep buying.
The fundamentals are there for the gold and silver to go to the moon.

Anonymous said...

Seenthis before- why are you here??Tthe stackers? One who gives a name out to others, is not one of them, an outsider. @everyone- When you read a book about the great depresion, you can read it in an hour. Those that lived it will tell you it was a little longer then that. Time is slow. My biggest hang up is waiting for the paper to die. History is full of examples that it will die, and none that shows it will live. I agree with some its taking forever, that is our perception of time,but in 30 years someone will read a book about our times and he will finish thar book in an hour. Stack the smack, don't smoke the crack.

Anonymous said...

Backed up the truck today.

Huzzah!

4oz

Anonymous said...

Paper dollars and paper metals have value ONLY because people still have confidence in them. The Federal Reserve Bankers, politicians and media, to name but a few, have an enormous stake in everyone having confidence in the value of paper assets. They will do whatever it takes to maintain confidence for as long as possible. You are all here because confidence that "everything is ok or improving" is dropping. You see the cost of everything you NEED rising. You have suspected or realized things are not getting better. As others wake up, confidence is being eroded. Sooner or later confidence will be lost completely. The TRILLIONS of dollars in debt we have plus the 4 billion dollars they print everyday will eventually bite us all in the ass in the form of hyper-inflation. It will take wheelbarrows of cash to buy anything as the value of the dollar falls to zero. This will not happen to PM's. People will kill each other for a little bit of gold or silver. You will not trade a single gram of gold for ALL the dollars in the world at that point.

The toughest part is the timing of all this. I admit to being very discouraged by how long the collapse is taking. However, I realized that this collapse NEEDS TO TAKE A LONG TIME just to get everyone used to how tough it will be. Wishing for $120 silver or $1200 dollar silver is to wish for complete collapse and misery. Be thankful for the ups and downs. Buy on the downs or simply buy every week without fail. Just imaging how bad shit will be with silver @ $1200. Unemployment at 60% or more? Gas at $30 gallon? No police because cities are broke? Martial law? Maybe even people starving to death? You need to prepare mentally for that and enjoy the relative prosperity and peace we have now. Confidence in all paper assets will eventually be lost and that will be hell.

Anonymous said...

The warnings and revelations of truth regarding current events that the alternative community is exposing are having a profound effect. This uncensored research is based on real history, news trends, accumulated information, knowledge of the occult such as ritual dates, numerology and other esoteric sciences as well as intuitive, conscious understandings.

Beacon

Anonymous said...

Mr. Diamond....try all you want,,,you make me laugh,,,honestly you seem a little lost these days with the same old same old...Tina can suck your tiny dick all she wants , it's not going to help and David says your not one of them...

Sheldan Nidle

Anonymous said...

There is a particular inherent shape to the geometry of a pyramid scheme. Start shrinking the base and it's game over. Not hard to figure out.

Anonymous said...

If you are buying 1000 Maples you should check out Tulving. They have hands down the best prices anywhere, but you have to buy 500 oz min silver or 20 oz min gold.

AGXIIK said...

I was blog rolling Bro Jo's site and picked an interesting stat from World Gold Council. They reported that China, due to itsindustrial needs, wind power and other energy requirements, bought 3,500 TONS of silver in 2011.
I don't think this is a misprint since China mines 300 tons of gold and is said to acquire another 770 tons of gold last year.
3,500 tons of silver, or 112,000,000 ounces, is about 14% of the world production.
Did anyone else hear about this or canyou confirm it. It's also reported that China wants more silver this year than last.
Anyone care to speculate that they repesented some of the buying during the last silver price hit?

Anonymous said...

I don't think it will bottom this fast. Wait for the bottom to form first, dno't jump the gun

Anonymous said...

I picked up another "fist FULL" of maples today along with some more Franklin halves... second vault is packed to the max... If they keep running these sales on gold and silver I may have to do some SERIOUS renovations... Really running out of room at the compound...Haha... What a feeling and problem to have...LMAO...
Hey corrupt thieves... Thank you for another GREAT sale...HAHAHA

Danno

Flying Wombat said...

AGXIIX,

China's Feb. 2012 traded data suggests they're doing some stockpiling of oil, for sure, and they're probably stocking silver and gold too. Without hints coming from trading floors when known buying agents are sometimes recognized, it would be darn hard to nail down buying activity on a specific day / price hit. I don't have that intel. But Feb. 2012 import growth came in at 39.6% year/year, far above the consensus estimate of 27%, and this came during a time when their domestic economy is starting to slow a bit too. They have also made big shifts in US bond holdings in the last few months too.

Interestingly enough, there is now talk that China's surprise trade deficit in Feb. 2012 represents data confirmation of slower growth in the West. But looking at Feb. 2011 we saw the same thing happen, and during a time when their imports came in much lower than expected. (see: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12688877 )

I've seen some "analysts" make the fishy argument that lower exports are going to crash commodities, especially base metals (e.g., tinyurl.com/7brmsf4 ) But as the 2011 history now shows, nothing of the sort happened back then even with imports falling in Feb. 2011 year/year. Now, in Feb. 2012 we have a big spike in imports. Regardless of where global economies trend, it seems pretty clear China was doing some serious stockpiling last month.

General story on the trade deficit: tinyurl.com/6uladhh

Anonymous said...

FW:

That diagram is laughable...we all know gold is at the bottom of that pyramid. Good try though.

AGXIIK said...

FW
I heard some of the same info regarding China's trade deficit. The events of late that would cause this are likely due to the reduction of consumer buying in US and Europe but China's buying binge has been awesome.
Both US and EU are weaker and when you factor in the dearth of consumers at Walmart, this may be as telling about our economies as much as China's imports. They remind of preppers, stocking against the day they will need the resources.
The other stat I read told the story that every large country was now a net importer, a strange situation in and of itself.
China is a real wild card from both its economic and financial policies, it's weaknesses and strengths along with its $3.2 trillion in currency stores which it can deploy if needed to bolster its economy.
It reminds me of Japan which has tottered along for 20 years with ZIRP, funding its deficits from the savings of its citizens.
I think China has reserves that can buffer it from the worst its economy and shortages can inflict on its people. With the buying surge of natural resources that's been going on for a few years now, their leaders are at least recognizing the problems that could surface. They are stop gapping them as best they can, more that we have been doing.
My concern is the the civil unrest and environmental damage being created in the Middle Kingdom
Keep providing your posts. They get us thinking outside the normal lines.

Anonymous said...

Never seen a diagram with silver at the very bottom, but it makes perfect sense. Silver and Gold are inseparable, and right now, silver is the more scarce money metal of the two.

Anonymous said...

It's funny how silver stackers are sounding a lot like day traders. Don't worry keep buying! Do your own D&D and don't listen to anyone else, Silver will go up but not anytime soon, maybe it will double by 2015, maybe. Remember this is long term.

Flying Wombat said...

That's not my diagram and I don't agree with the notion that silver should be at the bottom of the pyramid when it comes to describing the ranking of assets in monetary theory. However, Doc chose to put that diagram up to make a point, and when it comes to relative performance going forward as an investment, I would agree that silver will outperform gold, and that both physical demand growth and the rate at which supply will not be able to expand as rapidly as analysts currently believe will make for a return to a gold/silver ratio of about 15-to-1. It will shock the world as it proves to be sustainable at those levels. Few analysts today would even argue for a sustainable 30-to-1 ratio so the world is in for a big surprise. We're even going to see an overshoot, probably below 10-to-1 for a period of time.

But as far as monetary history and theory goes, gold is king and it should be depicted as such at the bottom of the pyramid.

Flying Wombat said...

AGXIIK,

Thanks for the feedback and all your posts - always enjoy them.

When I learn more about China's imports I'll post.

Anonymous said...

Thank all of you. Great info. I'll keep stacking.

2 OZ.

Max said...

Silver really has had a phenomenal run since 2003. Looks to me like it's out performing SP500 10 year which is 3.9% compared to silver's 23.9.

http://goldprice.org/charts/history/silver-price-performance.png

I'd say silver is doing fairly well...

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